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Xenuria
#221 - 2015-02-05 02:19:54 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
I hope you win just so I can see the car crash. Then I can start a pool on when you would be kicked out, why you would be kicked, and what exsucse you give for being kicked. It will be fun, entertaining , and profitable.

I think i can imagine how, just like this thread so far, the CSM will be discussing a topic with CCP, Xenuria will pick a fight with a dev walking by in the hallway not even involved, adn completely ignore all actual discussion happening in the room

on a related note

im still waiting for my answer Xen about my complete misunderstanding somehow of how public elections work, because my highly inferior brain cant seem to see past this big illusion you can perceive so well about how a democratic election is totally NOT based on how many votes a candidate gets, and those votes being dependent on whether or not people like that candidate's history
(because hint hint, that is EXACTLY how elections work, waht you state in this thread as your CSM goals mean NOTHING, all people care about is their prior experience with you, which so far means you have 3 groups, 1% of voters who are part of your "100 man constituency" you hang with that no one knows or interacts with, the about 80% who have no idea who you are compared to the other candidates, and the other 10% who only know you from the monument incident and and only know that you did something to make someone angry enough to commit a crime)

and im not trying to troll or derail anything, ive asked you legitimate questions in an effort to HELP you and your chances of not only gaining a chair on the CSM, but interacting with the greater community as a functional human being, all of which attempts i might add, were either ignored by you or were responded to with a very "im not going to even try adn get elected" holier-than-thou attitude


If you don't have any questions or statements on topic than please don't post in my CSM thread.

CSM 12 Candidate
Dradis Aulmais
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2015-02-05 02:37:26 UTC
People have asked several questions witch you 1) ignore 2) say troll 3) convolute it to a no one likes me cuz I'm awesome so there is little point to post a serious question here.

Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896

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Xenuria
#223 - 2015-02-05 02:49:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Xenuria
Dradis Aulmais wrote:
People have asked several questions witch you 1) ignore 2) say troll 3) convolute it to a no one likes me cuz I'm awesome so there is little point to post a serious question here.


Answering loaded questions can be seen as engaging flamebait. I have no desire to violate the forum rules.
If these same people want to ask questions that don't have anything to do with my IRL profession or any other creepy personal stuff than I will answer them.

Example:

A. Xenuria, being a big poop alien how do you feel about X <--- WRONG

B. Xenuria, how do you feel about X <--- RIGHT


A. Xenuria, you have been involved in alot of poop related incident and im aware that your a lizard alien from planet bazongablarg, how do you feel about changing sov or being csm given your background in being a poo lizard, <--- WRONG

B. Xenuria, how do you feel about sov? <---- RIGHT


Does that clear things up?

CSM 12 Candidate
ChYph3r
Omni Defense Corp.
#224 - 2015-02-05 06:00:00 UTC
HarlyQ wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
ChYph3r wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
when I did I lead the largest guild in the history of the game.



Xenuria, you say you lead a large WoW guild. However your eve corp history reads like a "I dont fit in anywhere".

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Xenuria#employmentHistory

It tells me you have no kind of leadership skills to back up anything you have said.


You are entitled to your opinion.

Id still like an answer to my second/followup question, especially regarding the comment you jsut replied to.

you admitted you dont post at all really on the forums, by this we can at least infer you dont really read the forums much, you also stated that you dont speak with much of anyone ingame outside people who are already your "followers" basically, which I can guess numbers somewhere around 100 or less

So, on to the question, despite having no real forum presence, and no greater EVE community presence ingame, WHY/HOW do you think you are qualified for a CSM position?

Still waiting for Xenuria to answer this lady. It's been 5 days what you gonna say Xenuria.



And we are still waiting......

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Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#225 - 2015-02-05 09:53:01 UTC
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile
FrFrmPukin
Multiplex Gaming
Tactical Narcotics Team
#226 - 2015-02-05 09:56:29 UTC
Evolution1979 wrote:
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile


You have just been emasculated sir. Shocked
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#227 - 2015-02-05 11:50:35 UTC
FrFrmPukin wrote:
Evolution1979 wrote:
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile


You have just been emasculated sir. Shocked


That sounds somewhat................... painfull Ugh
Xenuria
#228 - 2015-02-05 15:15:41 UTC
Evolution1979 wrote:
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile


They are upset that I am not given their insults the attention they feel appropriate.
The ISD normally show up just before this thread turns into a HUAC meeting.

CSM 12 Candidate
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#229 - 2015-02-05 17:43:36 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Evolution1979 wrote:
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile


They are upset that I am not given their insults the attention they feel appropriate.
The ISD normally show up just before this thread turns into a HUAC meeting.


Ah that explains it!
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#230 - 2015-02-05 22:48:34 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Evolution1979 wrote:
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile


They are upset that I am not given their insults the attention they feel appropriate.
The ISD normally show up just before this thread turns into a HUAC meeting.

When did I insult? when I read back to you what you said to us? All I asked was WHY/HOW do you believe yourself qualified for the position when your greater community presence is so little.

You refuse to answer this because the only answer you can give is not beneficial to your campaign, so you choose to ignore it rather than take the OTHER advice I gave you. That is to recognize you DO have a barrier to CSM entry that is not being set by the "big bad alliances" trying to "shut you down for speaking the truth" or whatever it is you argue these days, the barrier YOU have is that YOU do not participate in the larger community, so you do not have enough peopel who even know anything positive about you to get the votes you NEED.

TL;DR realize you have a problem thats easy to fix before CSM XI, get involved with the larger community, train noobs, make forum posts, get to know big named people, and for the love of whatever deities there may be, just try and make FRIENDS once in a while, put the holier-than-thou attitude in check and just get drunk with some fellow EVE players and go on a lowsec roam or something
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#231 - 2015-02-06 00:50:00 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Proof

http://i.imgur.com/eWAfuGO.png

Well isn't this a nifty little trinket?

just some advice, for CSM XI, be more active in the community at large, you're not seen much on the forums, and most people ingame wouldnt even know who you are. As far as notable occurences go, I think the only community related event of note was someone being pissed enough at you to vandalize the monument, which prospective voters would only take away as you having done something to **** people off.

So, its a little late for rep building, CSM X is lost, for CSM XI, should you choose to run, I say you should wander a bit outside your "constituency" and provide a little for the playerbase. Maybe start up another NPSI group, those are becoming popular again, or maybe organize players to make a new lowsec block, or hell, make a highsec industry empire for all i care.

bottom line is, if you want a chance of election for CSM XI, you have to be more public with yourself, and a little more friendly with people who share opposing or even differing views.

yes, nullsec blocs get people elected by mass voting, because their leadership tells them who to vote for, that may seem unfair, but realize that the number of people who follow their word willingly, to the letter, says something about their personality and leadership qualities within the community, making political results from their choices completely valid and OK. Theres is the power of community backing, and of social status, you're going to need to work on those skills to make it in ANY election.

edit* some spelling errors were bugging me


If you think the CSM is a popularity contest that requires the grinding of "rep", maybe your playing the wrong MMO.

Actually all voting is popularity contests.
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#232 - 2015-02-06 00:58:16 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Proof

http://i.imgur.com/eWAfuGO.png

Well isn't this a nifty little trinket?

just some advice, for CSM XI, be more active in the community at large, you're not seen much on the forums, and most people ingame wouldnt even know who you are. As far as notable occurences go, I think the only community related event of note was someone being pissed enough at you to vandalize the monument, which prospective voters would only take away as you having done something to **** people off.

So, its a little late for rep building, CSM X is lost, for CSM XI, should you choose to run, I say you should wander a bit outside your "constituency" and provide a little for the playerbase. Maybe start up another NPSI group, those are becoming popular again, or maybe organize players to make a new lowsec block, or hell, make a highsec industry empire for all i care.

bottom line is, if you want a chance of election for CSM XI, you have to be more public with yourself, and a little more friendly with people who share opposing or even differing views.

yes, nullsec blocs get people elected by mass voting, because their leadership tells them who to vote for, that may seem unfair, but realize that the number of people who follow their word willingly, to the letter, says something about their personality and leadership qualities within the community, making political results from their choices completely valid and OK. Theres is the power of community backing, and of social status, you're going to need to work on those skills to make it in ANY election.

edit* some spelling errors were bugging me


If you think the CSM is a popularity contest that requires the grinding of "rep", maybe your playing the wrong MMO.

popularity contest? i do believe it IS indeed a mass-voter based system. and yes, if i recall, these systems rely on voter recognition, the key to which is being recognized positively by the voters, which DOES indeed require you to interact in constructive and bond-building ways with the greater community outside your 100-person "constituency".

so yeah, you gotta "grind" rep, just like the mittanni had to, just like seraph had to, just like twostep had to, etc, etc, etc


The CSM is not something you can twist and bend to fit your argument, everything you have said is not only incongruous but humorous when stripped of bias. I again suggest that you play a Different MMO if grinding is your thing.

You should try taking advice because every time I've read a post from you its not trying to discuss anything. You either say read op or post a link or just insult people. I might bee a goon but I'm not even that mean.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#233 - 2015-02-06 07:20:06 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Evolution1979 wrote:
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile


They are upset that I am not given their insults the attention they feel appropriate.
The ISD normally show up just before this thread turns into a HUAC meeting.

When did I insult?



There is a saying in my country: He who fits the shoe......................
That being said, i only said: "current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria"
And last time i checked, your forum alt is not a CSM guy.
Also bashing does not mean an insult by definition.

I do agree, that if someone asks a legitimate question, then that could be awnsered normally sure!
However i understand the sceptical attitude, since most people just want to see Xenuria burn.
If that was me i would be sceptical also.
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#234 - 2015-02-06 07:42:46 UTC  |  Edited by: HarlyQ
Evolution1979 wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Evolution1979 wrote:
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile


They are upset that I am not given their insults the attention they feel appropriate.
The ISD normally show up just before this thread turns into a HUAC meeting.

When did I insult?



There is a saying in my country: He who fits the shoe......................
That being said, i only said: "current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria"
And last time i checked, your forum alt is not a CSM guy.
Also bashing does not mean an insult by definition.

I do agree, that if someone asks a legitimate question, then that could be awnsered normally sure!
However i understand the sceptical attitude, since most people just want to see Xenuria burn.
If that was me i would be sceptical also.


I think we can say we do not want xenuria to burn we just want someone that knows what they are doing as a csm member. xenuria won't answer the honest questions from a few people and he claims they are trolls or insults. If he can not or will not answer honestly then why would we want him as a csm member. Answer we wouldn't.
Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#235 - 2015-02-06 14:03:18 UTC
HarlyQ wrote:
Evolution1979 wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Evolution1979 wrote:
I dont know about the rest of us, but all these current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria, makes me want to vot Xenuria!
But then again, thats just me and I dont care about Voting anyways Big smile


They are upset that I am not given their insults the attention they feel appropriate.
The ISD normally show up just before this thread turns into a HUAC meeting.

When did I insult?



There is a saying in my country: He who fits the shoe......................
That being said, i only said: "current CSM guys "bashing" on Xenuria"
And last time i checked, your forum alt is not a CSM guy.
Also bashing does not mean an insult by definition.

I do agree, that if someone asks a legitimate question, then that could be awnsered normally sure!
However i understand the sceptical attitude, since most people just want to see Xenuria burn.
If that was me i would be sceptical also.


I think we can say we do not want xenuria to burn we just want someone that knows what they are doing as a csm member. xenuria won't answer the honest questions from a few people and he claims they are trolls or insults. If he can not or will not answer honestly then why would we want him as a csm member. Answer we wouldn't.


Fair enough, however i still dont see why you are asking questions to Xenuria or even care about what he wants to do on the CSM.
Reasoning behind this is, you are in goons, so you allready know who you must vote for and also your guys spot is a guaranteed spot!
But who knows, you might actualy be interested in this CSM competition Smile
Xenuria
#236 - 2015-02-06 17:45:21 UTC
I had an interesting discussion with some Shadow Cartel who were camping me in Aeschee.
We were discussing my proposed term limits and one of them I forget who made an interesting point.
He said that term limits could hurt the independent vote because if a really good independent non-bloc candidate is elected so many times and there is a term limit that value is lost. No matter how amazing that person is they can't run again.

I said that this was my point, no matter how terrible or sparkling fantastic a csm delegate is, they shouldn't be able to be csm forever votes provided. Term Limits keeps systems of election fresh and moving. My platform is very deeply rooted in fairness and as such I would sooner see the same limits and or rules applies to everybody or not applied at all.


Doing the ethical or right thing isn't about what is easy or even what comes naturally.
The CSM should be a meritocracy not some grandiose popularity contest or a social status symbol.
Enforcing Term Limitations assures that NEW people and NEW ideas are present.

CSM 12 Candidate
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#237 - 2015-02-06 18:05:00 UTC
That is an Appeal to Novelty fallacy. A member being new is unrelated to their merit.

Furthermore, the CSM being an elective process at all is at odds with the idea of meritocracy. Each voter has their own idea of merit and many of those ideas are mutually exclusive. Are you suggesting there should be some measure of "merit" and CSM reps should simply be appointed on that basis? If so, how would that work.

Your stated position contains very serious fundamental errors in reasoning. Would you care to revise or clarify to address these problems?

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Xenuria
#238 - 2015-02-06 19:27:57 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
That is an Appeal to Novelty fallacy. A member being new is unrelated to their merit.

Furthermore, the CSM being an elective process at all is at odds with the idea of meritocracy. Each voter has their own idea of merit and many of those ideas are mutually exclusive. Are you suggesting there should be some measure of "merit" and CSM reps should simply be appointed on that basis? If so, how would that work.

Your stated position contains very serious fundamental errors in reasoning. Would you care to revise or clarify to address these problems?


I understand your point but I think you are misunderstanding the context of my statements.
Being new is not better merit wise, I didn't mean to come across that way.
I mean to say that in an ideal world people would be voted on not because of what alliance or corp they are from but because of what they can offer. Ideals and Actuals are not the same. That said it helps to consider them both.

CSM 12 Candidate
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#239 - 2015-02-06 19:34:11 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Furthermore, the CSM being an elective process at all is at odds with the idea of meritocracy. Each voter has their own idea of merit and many of those ideas are mutually exclusive.
From a political science perspective, the metric for merit in an election is fairly simple: Getting voted for is the objective standard for how well you're doing. The road to reach the votes is the hard thing to measure, and where much disagreement lies, and of course what to do when then elected, but the election itself is largely that simple.
In a sense, this is because all elections are popularity contests that require a reputation good enough to entice people voting for you - although in some democracies, the bar is very low due to other candidates being really bad or the rules being bent in one way or the other. When Xenuria tells us it doesn't want to work for this reputation, it shows either some lack of understanding, or a lack of desire to win a seat (For whatever reason).

Nariya Kentaya I gotta say, I admire your persistance. You seem like you genuinely want to help, and I don't get why Xenuria bites the hand trying to feed it. Your advice is sound, mostly, even if I think this is a case of pearls before swine.

HarlyQ wrote:
I think we can say we do not want xenuria to burn we just want someone that knows what they are doing as a csm member.
True, although I don't think we have to fear this particular candidate. Personally, I find the thread entertaining.
This is my version of driving slowly past a car-crash to get a good view, a version where none gets physically hurt and where the centre of attention has actively, persistently and willingly put itself in that position. Oh, and it's related to my field of study.
HarlyQ
harlyq syrokos investment station
#240 - 2015-02-07 00:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: HarlyQ
[/quote]
I think we can say we do not want xenuria to burn we just want someone that knows what they are doing as a csm member. xenuria won't answer the honest questions from a few people and he claims they are trolls or insults. If he can not or will not answer honestly then why would we want him as a csm member. Answer we wouldn't.[/quote]

Fair enough, however i still dont see why you are asking questions to Xenuria or even care about what he wants to do on the CSM.
Reasoning behind this is, you are in goons, so you allready know who you must vote for and also your guys spot is a guaranteed spot!
But who knows, you might actualy be interested in this CSM competition Smile[/quote]



You know I can and do vote for who ever I want so do most goons.I care and ask him questions because his stated goal is to fix a system that's not beoken. In his eyes it is but that's not why we have the CSM it is here to help CCP bounce features off up coming patches for the game not hey how can we make the CSM better. I want and so do most of the eve players someone that wants to improve the EVE ONLIVE not CSM online.

If he wants to fix the csm he needs to go get a job with ccps legal team and rewrite the purpose of the csm.

Phone is on the fits might fix this post when I get near my computer again.