Intergalactic Summit

In case the distinction escapes you, one of these two groups is a terrorist group and the other is an arm of the government.

You really are a propaganda artist.

Terrorist Heth and his so called "beliefs" have no room in Federation Political talks.

But you are a vermin Kim, who believes Terrorist Heth got good motivations.. Well youa re wrong.

What he started, the war, took more civilian lifes than the previous wars ever did. He started a flame and it spread to whole galaxy. Now even after all these years, not you, not me or not Rinai Vero but mortals, civilians, non-combatants all paid the price.

You people lost your humanity. I did not.

Rinai thinks supporting Roden will help Federation. Yes maybe it will, maybe we will won the coflict. But at what cost? how many people have to die? because we cannot die but those poor sods on those planets can.

I see no difference in Roden's recklessness or Heth's pure racism terms of approach. yes they aims right on target, which means winning the war. But the costs are too damn High. Those people do not ever think cvilillians or non-combatants.

That is the sole reason why I supported and wanted Mayor Ramnev as President. Because she is still a human. She did not lost it. She resisted and helped the people on that planet. She did not differed any race from another. She helped People, not Gallenteans or Caldari... She saved people.

Now you go fight your war.. Kim or Rinai... I see no difference... Roden or Heth.. Go fight for them, Caldari or Gallente go wage your war.

But think a second, those lifes. civilians, mortals, non-combatants who died.. At what cost.

I'm not sure it's really quite fair to compare the Black Eagles to the CPD, though both are obviously unpleasant organizations. While the Black Eagles get up to some pretty foul things, most of their activities are, to speak frankly, a drop in the bucket in terms of law enforcement in the west of the cluster - The average Federal will never even meet one, much less see them have any notable effect on their lives, because their role is so specific and narrow. Hells, the average Federal is barely affected by anything the presidency does, because of the way their society is structured and managed, with everything from the bottom up. I would imagine the vast majority of people (outside of the warzone of course) have barely noticed any difference in their lives since this whole ugly affair started.

The CPD, on the other hand, were unavoidable during their reign. They involved themselves in practically every strata of State society, from intelligence, to policing, to management. It was impossible to avoid knowing that they were watching, and that they were in charge... Which is probably why their day in the sun was so short.

The Black Eagles are a lot smarter then the CPD ever were. They know how to keep to their specific niche and not stir the pot to the point the public pushes for their removal, which allows them to exert the influence they do have with great efficiency. They know how to get people to forget about them, but at the same time, to inspire incredible fear in the tiny percentile of the population which, for whatever reason, attractstheir interest.

I'm not pointing that out to compliment them as an organization. I'm saying it because it's chilling.

No bomb that big exists. Your outta luck sweetie.

Perhaps I can provide a different perspective than Bataav on this issue that may be relevant to your concerns.

Although the esteemed representative of the ILF portrayed FedMil's attitude as neglectful due to the original articles of Intaki's membership in the Federal Union, there are actually much more recent events that bear the most relevance. When Federal Defense Union aligned forces liberated Intaki from its initial conquest by the State Protectorate five years ago there was an immediate mobilization by the Federation Navy to restore control of the solar system.

The FedNav fleet was denied permission to enter the system by the local Intaki government.

Gallente Loyalist pilots are not hand waving towards arcane legal precedents to justify our position. In fact, the Intaki Assembly itself are the authors of the present status quo. As is their sovereign right. Personally, I would think that the Federal government's respect for this development would be counted in their favor by organizations such as the ILF.

It is perhaps justifiable for the Intaki Assembly to seek to "build bridges" with groups like Ishukone and Mordus Legion, especially when faced with the alternative of total domination by a State Protectorate dominated by Provists. Both Ishukone and the Legion have provided a degree of stability during the mercurial shifts between occupying Militia forces. I respect the Intaki Assembly's pragmatism in maintaining friends in both camps during this time of strife. I believe they do what they must to protect the lives of their people.

I am less convinced of the pure motives of the ILF. As an organization, they have maintained a fairly obvious Pro Caldari bias. Ostensibly "neutral" they have in the past refused to disavow ties to blatantly militant Caldari aligned separatists such as Yuri Intaki and his Intaki Milita corporation.

From what I can tell, ILF "bridge building" only seems to happen in the direction of the Caldari. I-RED are avowed State Loyalists, Liberals though they may be... and are currently deployed in support of the State Protectorate. These are their self described "allies." This alliance literally amounts to providing material support to belligerent parties to the Federation.

If their organization is "neutral" as they claim, where are their attempts to build friendships and networks of support among Gallente Loyalist organizations within the warzone? Instead, Bataav's line has been to publicly petition to have the FDU expelled from the Intaki System entirely. Some neutrality.

No. Indeed, the partners you selected were aforementioned militant Pro Caldari separatists. What you call naive neutrality has to me the appearance of duplicitous bias.

But, I'll admit this is my historical perspective on events I was not directly involved with. I'm not married to the idea of eternal hostilities between our organizations. If you think you can make a convincing case that the ILF is simply misunderstood over all these years and you aren't a 5th Column for the Caldari... by all means contact me privately and present your argument.

Not exactly helping the case that ILF aren't overly friendly with the Caldari State there Pieter.

If the Federation wanted to "Exterminate all Caldari" on Caldari Prime it would have been a simple matter of following Operation Highlander with another series of orbital bombardments. The defenses being held by State ground forces couldn't have stopped such an attack, only made it very costly for the Federation Navy.

Obviously the Federation wants to do nothing of the sort, but whatever.

What we have now is realistically the best outcome for both sides. As long as our governments can retain pragmatic leadership during the ongoing process of negotiation, the situation will continue to improve.

That is why I am hopeful for Jacus Roden's next term.

Thankfully everyone with any influence in either my government or yours is working to accomplish the opposite of what you want to see happen.

On that we most certainly agree.