EVE New Citizens Q&A

If you are in the career systems keep an eye on local. I drop in, now and again, and hand out free fitted frigates/destroyers amd even the occasional cruiser as appropriate to the location and age of pilot.

This initiative is sponsored by older players who have donate isk and materials to give the new players a hand up.

If you want to know more there is a mailing list OMSB

Click on mail, bottom left has 'join mailing list' click that then enter in

OMSB

easy as pi

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The brand newbros (I.e. trial ) can't post anywhere but here so this is appropriate.

+1 love it.

Will this be a regular thing?

Bittervet checking in here.

I salute your intention to help noobs, that's excellent.

I have to challenge you on your space socialism, however.

Eve is a difficult game, which means that you get a sense of accomplishment when you achieve something - your first 1v1 win, your first billion in the market, and so on.

I remember a Merlin I used to fly, my first serious frigate, which was eventually very well fit and able to survive the static 1/10 and 2/10 plexes that dropped Worm blueprints and used to drop mods that are worth a fortune nowadays. This was an accomplishment, for me. Something I was able to be successful at, all by my self.

This is why I don't think socialist handouts to noobs are a good idea. It's better if they treasure their ships, at least in the beginning. It's better that they get a sense of accomplishment when they figure out how to fit the things. It's better if they think their ships matter, and take the time to figure out how to use EFT. It's better if they read up so they know wtf they're doing. It's better that they learn how to figure out how to fit a ship, instead of saving a fit someone hands them and not learning a thing.

You don't want to cater to the soft bigotry of low expectations; you want people to have to work, which means then they have accomplished something when they get it sorted.

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Remember, Eve is about attitude as much as anything else. The tough love of explaining mistakes to noobs after you kill them is within the spirit of Eve. Handing out free frigates and saying "have fun kiddies" isn't, IMHO.

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All that said, I acknowledge the learning cliff in Eve. I think Eve Uni and all the other efforts to explain the game are excellent. Frankly, you could probably do more good for noobs by showing up in local and typing "I'm a veteran player: AMA" - and having a file with links that explain various aspects of eve on hand, to cut and paste out of into local.

Ships also cost ISK and shouldnt be used as a disposable tool to those who do not buy plexes with real money every week. New players will learn to enjoy Eve if they understand the necessity to balance Risk with Reward. As much as its hilarious to see a New player in a 3 billion isk Rattlesnake doing missions in lowsec, if that person was in my corp, i would kill him myself.

Theres nothing wrong with noobs thinking that losing ships is part of the game, and that they shouldnt be angry for more than a second about losing a ship. But there is something wrong with noobs thinking that it doesnt matter if they lose their ships in any manner, stupid or not, because theyll just be provided a new one, with no cost to them.

I dont want a noob to be crying every time he loses a merlin. But I also dont want him to recklessly lose a talos or a Myrmidon. And the best way to do this is for them to earn their ships. If they know how hard it is to get a ship, they know to be careful about not losing it.

Thanks

In answer to the idea that handing out ships will ruin the game or the sense of loss? I take it you are also against Ship Replacement Programs as well, then?

A difference in philosophy is acceptable in this game and I have had some newbies say that they would rather earn their way up. I compliment them on their goals and wish them the best.

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eve doesn't seem to be a "just the tip" kind of game so this response seems appropriate.

sounds like a good initiative to me.

I'm looking forward to Major Reams reply as to why SRP programs aren't destroying the game because of ~reasons~

I am too chaotic to keep to a schedule though I am around a fair amount.

and it is always ships, I am not a fan of handing out isk. (except in unusual cases)

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Just came across this as a returning (good as new) player from the High Drag podcast. Anything I learned, I've forgotten after a three-year break, so was going to do the tutorial missions again on this toon (if that's possible).

Hope we can cross paths, am very much enjoying New Eden again, overwhelmed as I am!

I highly recommend not planning something you cannot dedicate time to it just makes you look like an idiot