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Gate campers. how do they react so quickly?
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Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2015-02-05 13:12:08 UTC
Ren Oren wrote:
The Annihilator20 wrote:
Gorn Arming wrote:
Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires.

Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream.



but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me,

everyone is trigger happy in low sec or 0.0. i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still.

and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy.

i wish players on eve would actually have a purpose for gate camping. rather then just killing random players for the sake of it.


My friend, Providence has a Not Red Don't Shoot, so you may enjoy some time flying over there


serious? PM more details plase :)

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#42 - 2015-02-05 13:26:23 UTC
Normal human reaction time is 0.25 seconds.

Gamers are probably slightly faster than that.

Not today spaghetti.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#43 - 2015-02-05 13:43:15 UTC
Of course, busting gate camps is a fun (and profitable) pastime.

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#44 - 2015-02-05 13:56:46 UTC
The Annihilator20 wrote:
Gorn Arming wrote:
Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires.

Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream.



but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me,

everyone is trigger happy in low sec or 0.0. i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still.

and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy.

i wish players on eve would actually have a purpose for gate camping. rather then just killing random players for the sake of it.


I totally feel your pain, bro. Recently I fired up an ego shooter game to go for a virtual walk and literally everyone just killed me all the time for no reason! I don't understand why these people do that, but I blame it on that score board called "frag count". It really totally spoils ego shooters for peaceful dudes like me :(

.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#45 - 2015-02-05 14:13:18 UTC
This exact situation is a good microcosm of why people fail at EVE.

You say that people wanting to blow you up ruins EVE for you.

If you do your research and figure out what the more experienced people know (before saying EVE is ruined for you) you'd realize how hard it is to actually catch someone in lowsec (and to a certain extent nullsec). There are plenty of tools at your disposal for evading gatecamps.

1) MWD/cloak trick
2) Covert ops cloaked ships (which can now be refitted in space when you get to where you are going via mobile depots)
3) Check killboards for the people that are in that system to see what time they are active and go through at a different time
4) Jump in a battleship and roflstomp the terribles gatecamping lowsec (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5cCALuzmzc)

The list goes on. Its actually pretty hard to catch someone in lowsec thats just passing through.

Not today spaghetti.
Astroia Tichim
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2015-02-05 14:19:37 UTC
The Annihilator20 wrote:
but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me,

Dude! Don't give up. Get a few kills under your belt. Then you will realise why all the effort. One day soon, if you stick with it, you too will be happily ganking newbs at any opportunity for no good reason.
Darth Bladius
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2015-02-05 14:25:17 UTC
They see a gate flash, and that means somebody just jumped. Then they are waiting every moment for intruder to appear.

Locking is just matter of skills and knowledge about how to use controls properly.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2015-02-05 14:48:18 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
ITS FREAKIN PIXELS! YOU DON'T REALLY DIE! SO STRAP YOURSELF INTO A FRIGATE YOU PIECE OF AMPHIBIAN **** AND LET ME SEE YOUR WAR FACE!
LET'S GO KILLL SOME ****!!!! Twisted


What did asterisks ever do to you?
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#49 - 2015-02-05 14:53:27 UTC
Character is 2 years old and doesn't know these things? My trollometer is pinging.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
David Mandrake
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-02-05 15:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: David Mandrake
Soldarius wrote:
Character is 2 years old and doesn't know these things? My trollometer is pinging.


Caldari Provisions for two years. Had previously been in a few other corps after character creation in 2007 (according to EveWho), last corp was left in 2013. Most of them are closed, though they seem to be primarily PvE corps and he's been in and out of one several times throughout the years (his sec status is also rather high). ZKillboard shows a string of losses that would fit the profile, primarily drakes, Ravens and even an RNI. He has, according to ZKB, gone through nullsec before and gotten blown up however the most recent loss - and presumably the one which sparked this thread - was earlier today with the loss of a covops, which would be the first ship he's lost that actually can warp while cloaked (he has a previous exploration loss in W-Space, but it's not a covops and since it's w-space he likely didn't hit a camp). So I buy his story; it fits. And the theory of how he got popped fits too, as the kill has an interdictor and a faction frigate on it, so he got bubbled and the faction frig decloaked him, and then they both blapped him. (I am trying to keep this all non-specific because I understand posting kills is against the rules, so let me know if that's still too specific)

To the OP, if you're doing exploration I would note that you should probably use wormholes to get in - I'm presuming that he came in from the nearby empire space entrances just a few jumps away from where he died (there's both a high sec and a low sec entrance to nullsec less than five jumps from where he died) and probably got noticed and someone set up a quick trap to get him. They're mostly empty, even if they aren't they're rather easy to stay alive in if you've got a covops, so they can be a nice way to get in to and out of nullsec. If you're patient enough you can just head in to any wormhole from highsec, scan down new holes until you find one that leads to nullsec, go through it, do some exploration, find another wormhole and scan back through the chain until you hit a highsec wormhole, then head to the nearest tradehub and unload your loot. Avoids most gatecamps (you'll still have a few here and there) and makes the whole thing a bit safer. Plus, there's exploration sites in wormholes that you can do (a lot of them do have rats that will turn your ship in to swiss cheese but not all of them do) so it's pretty much a win-win option as far as things go.

Caveat: My only experience running through wormholes has been unsuccessfully trying to find people to gank, and not even ending up with a lossmail for my troubles, I don't really run exploration sites.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2015-02-05 16:47:34 UTC
The Annihilator20 wrote:
k twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still.

and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy.


If Killboards/killmails were removed, more people would be shooting at each other.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Ren Oren
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2015-02-05 16:55:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ren Oren
Leannor wrote:
Ren Oren wrote:
The Annihilator20 wrote:
Gorn Arming wrote:
Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires.

Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream.



but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me,

everyone is trigger happy in low sec or 0.0. i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still.

and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy.

i wish players on eve would actually have a purpose for gate camping. rather then just killing random players for the sake of it.


My friend, Providence has a Not Red Don't Shoot, so you may enjoy some time flying over there


serious? PM more details plase :)


Edited my first post to answer this question here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5464295#post5464295
Solj RichPopolous
Silent Havok.
H A R D L I N E R S
#53 - 2015-02-05 17:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Solj RichPopolous
The Annihilator20 wrote:
Gorn Arming wrote:
Watching an overview for 30 seconds isn't hard. They know when you enter the system because you appear in local, and you've got at most 1 minute from that time before your gate cloak expires.

Besides, they almost certainly saw you coming a mile away because they've got an alt at least one system upstream.



but why all the effort? its kind of what ruins eve for me,

everyone is trigger happy in low sec or 0.0. i've never met anyone who would think twice about shooting me. some guy took a shot of me undocking in a thera system. i got away with it that time but still.

and i think the scoreboard has to blame fo that. theres some record people have for there kills right? i think its stupid. if it wernt for that i dont think everyone would be so trigger happy.

i wish players on eve would actually have a purpose for gate camping. rather then just killing random players for the sake of it.


You are right the killboard is the biggest problem with this game. It makes people scared to have fun and take risks because they know at the end of the day someone will rage at them or they will rage at themselves for the lost isk efficiency and the "red mark" on the board.

If no one knew about your death but you and the other person that killed you I think somehow more battles would happen IMHO.
Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2015-02-05 17:20:44 UTC
Something not yet mentioned about the specific mechanics (or I've missed it)...

In-space brackets tend to load faster than the overview (by about half a second). Truly swank gate campers will be watching space, not the overview, and find/approach/lock you from the bracket to make sure they get their commands in on the earliest possible server tick.

This is also true for trying to catch pods recently liberated from their loot wrappers.
Nevil Oscillator
#55 - 2015-02-05 17:25:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevil Oscillator
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The Annihilator20 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Remote sebos.



i dont even know what that is. what is sebos?


Sensor boosters. They allow several other ships to boost one of their friends lock speed.

.



It also depends on the sig radius of your ship, that is why shuttles and capsules are difficult to lock although they are vulnerable to smart bombs. Shield rigs and extenders can make you easier to catch. An interesting one I noticed was that the inertia bonus module has a penalty for sig radius, that could catch you out if you are using one to be evasive.
Don Pera Saissore
#56 - 2015-02-05 18:38:02 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
The Annihilator20 wrote:


Crybaby stuff....

how do people do this? why do they do this?? for a score board? not like they get money for it. they would have to have been staring the WHOLE time at there overview like a hawk! to even see a ship appear for just a couple of seconds as i cloak.

i mean thats the part that puzzles me. how can anyone just. sit there an stare at it... who knows how long.


Before I entertain this response.... bubbles can't work in low sec. So I'm going to assume you jumped into null.




How do we do this you ask? Simple. We do this by following these easy steps:

1) We sit on gates with multiple broskies flying ships designed for specific roles (HICs and ints for bubbles, loki's rapiers & ashimus for webs, Legions for neuts, falcons and rooks for jams and anything else people care to risk). Using a combo like that locks you down completely, giving "us" risk free PvP. Then again, a gang vs a single target will always be risk free PvP. But I digress.

2) We have cloaky scouts in the systems preceding the gate camp system, that way we know what your flying, where you are going and if we can catch you when you arrive.

3) You jump into the trap, bubble up, drones out, small interceptors with mwds then speed in your direction (the moment you uncloak to move and recloak) to get within 2000m of you to decloak you again. Since you can only warp out of bubbles with interceptors or interdiction nullified t3s, your forced to "slow boat" out of a bubble, or pulse your mwd to build speed before cloaking in teh vain hope of getting out of the interceptors range. Given the speed of most interceptors, they can run down 14km in 3-4 seconds. That's about 1-2 seconds faster than most ships take to align and warp off a gate.

4) Remote SEBOs and SEBO fits allow us to lock you in 1-2 seconds, or less.

5) If the bubble didn't stop you, a HIC's scripted infinipoint will. Allowing our broskies the needed time to lock you and point you.

6) Then everybody who has been sitting there for hours, while chatting on teamspeak and getting drunk after a long days work murders you for our own amusement. Instead of taking pictures to commemorate the occasion, we get a killboard record.

7) We don't get paid isk to do this, but if you fly expensive ships with kewl loot, we take that, fence it for moniez and split it. So it pays to kill and sit on a gate for hours on end...

Why do we do this?

Because we're bored, we play eve online where the game "encourages you" to do this and we pay a monthly sub to murder you for lolz.

Any questions?


Yes i have one.

Would you rather sit all day gatecamping and kill lone explorers in probes just because you can or would you rather fight a small gang that flies a similar comp?

Wouldn't you rather have a decent and meaningful fight?
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#57 - 2015-02-06 04:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuka Solo
Don Pera Saissore wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
The Annihilator20 wrote:


Crybaby stuff....

how do people do this? why do they do this?? for a score board? not like they get money for it. they would have to have been staring the WHOLE time at there overview like a hawk! to even see a ship appear for just a couple of seconds as i cloak.

i mean thats the part that puzzles me. how can anyone just. sit there an stare at it... who knows how long.


Before I entertain this response.... bubbles can't work in low sec. So I'm going to assume you jumped into null.




How do we do this you ask? Simple. We do this by following these easy steps:

1) We sit on gates with multiple broskies flying ships designed for specific roles (HICs and ints for bubbles, loki's rapiers & ashimus for webs, Legions for neuts, falcons and rooks for jams and anything else people care to risk). Using a combo like that locks you down completely, giving "us" risk free PvP. Then again, a gang vs a single target will always be risk free PvP. But I digress.

2) We have cloaky scouts in the systems preceding the gate camp system, that way we know what your flying, where you are going and if we can catch you when you arrive.

3) You jump into the trap, bubble up, drones out, small interceptors with mwds then speed in your direction (the moment you uncloak to move and recloak) to get within 2000m of you to decloak you again. Since you can only warp out of bubbles with interceptors or interdiction nullified t3s, your forced to "slow boat" out of a bubble, or pulse your mwd to build speed before cloaking in teh vain hope of getting out of the interceptors range. Given the speed of most interceptors, they can run down 14km in 3-4 seconds. That's about 1-2 seconds faster than most ships take to align and warp off a gate.

4) Remote SEBOs and SEBO fits allow us to lock you in 1-2 seconds, or less.

5) If the bubble didn't stop you, a HIC's scripted infinipoint will. Allowing our broskies the needed time to lock you and point you.

6) Then everybody who has been sitting there for hours, while chatting on teamspeak and getting drunk after a long days work murders you for our own amusement. Instead of taking pictures to commemorate the occasion, we get a killboard record.

7) We don't get paid isk to do this, but if you fly expensive ships with kewl loot, we take that, fence it for moniez and split it. So it pays to kill and sit on a gate for hours on end...

Why do we do this?

Because we're bored, we play eve online where the game "encourages you" to do this and we pay a monthly sub to murder you for lolz.

Any questions?


Yes i have one.

Would you rather sit all day gatecamping and kill lone explorers in probes just because you can or would you rather fight a small gang that flies a similar comp?

Wouldn't you rather have a decent and meaningful fight?


I'd rather sit in a hi-sec pipe system with a few marmite alts and have meaningful encounters with people who come to me every 10 minutes (on their way to and from market hubs for instance) or so as opposed to me going after them for a few hours.

And if you find yourself in a fair fight in eve online... You've done it wrong.

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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2015-02-06 06:21:05 UTC
The Annihilator20 wrote:
i know there are ships with players with good skill training that allow them to target near instant an all that stuff....

but im confused is how can someone react physicly so quickly at a gate camp?



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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#59 - 2015-02-06 07:03:03 UTC
Reminds me of http://i.imgur.com/oDC5NqP.png Smile

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Meloni HELL
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2015-02-06 09:27:13 UTC
I guess gate camping also helps keep neutrals out of a ratting / mining / staging system. You might be some newbro flying a frigate, or you might be a cyno-ship for a blops gang. Or just someone looking to stir trouble up.

Either way - it pays not to talk first. Better just to shoot - it is eve afterall.

"Oh sure thing! I'm not gonna hunt your bling-fit vargur - let me in - I just want to loot your explo sites!"