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Clint Eastwood's AMERICAN SNIPER

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#21 - 2015-02-04 20:34:43 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
I'm still really curious about that M. Moore Twitter post about that film, any chance somebody here can give me a link? Big smile



i dunno if this si the original or a follow up, but

""My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse,"

source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vets-snipers-respond-to-michael-moores-tweets/

Essentually he called snipers cowards, and had to defend why he said that. I can;t seem to find the original tweet though

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Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#22 - 2015-02-05 00:09:58 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
I'm still really curious about that M. Moore Twitter post about that film, any chance somebody here can give me a link? Big smile



i dunno if this si the original or a follow up, but

""My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse,"

source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vets-snipers-respond-to-michael-moores-tweets/

Essentually he called snipers cowards, and had to defend why he said that. I can;t seem to find the original tweet though


"But if you're on the roof of your home defending it from invaders who've come 7K miles, you are not a sniper, u are brave, u are a neighbor."

Second part of the tweet.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#23 - 2015-02-05 01:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
I don't know, the fact that that guy and the U.S. Army organization kept an official Killboard is a little... weird? Unprofessional? Video game-like?

It takes a whole army to run an army. People drive unarmored trucks up and down dangerous urban roads, 30 days a month. Other people go into people's homes with sketchy intel about what's really in there. A few guys sit behind a mud wall for weeks, not knowing the rural village people around, and not ever knowing if/when the smart guys on the other side might night attack them 10:1.

I don't know, keeping a sniper KB, and having it administratively confirmed up through the bureaucracy, seems a little f---ed up to me. And a little scary. Read the soldier literature coming from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars when you get a chance, ye boys. It's not like your grandpa's war.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#24 - 2015-02-05 04:00:29 UTC
The most horrifying aspect is the failed concept of 'ROE' - forcing line soldiers to rapidly determine hostile intent when facing an enemy who not only uses women and children as weapons, but are also too cowardly to don a uniform, or adopt any kind of identifying feature to distinguish themselves from civilian noncombatants.

In WWII (i.e.grandpa's war) sniper kills were tracked officially as well - even back as far as WWI (great-grandpa's war), it seems. A system of confirmation was used, seemingly much like the system used in air-to-air combat, where the kill must be witnessed.

Germany, horrifically, used child soldiers during the end of WWII. But even there, an important distinction - those children were nominally within the official chain of command and given uniforms, ill-fitting or no.

The willingness of Muslim fighters to hide behind their civilian population and use Western reluctance to engage traditional non-combatants - as a means of ambush - is nothing short of disgusting. Such conduct likely responsible for much of the accidental civilian body count, as soldiers learn to defend themselves by shooting first and asking questions later. After all, its better to be court-martialled than blown to pieces by a suicide bomber.

When fighting savages, forcing uniformed soldiers to play by the 'Queen's rules' so the political class gets to have 'clean hands' seems quite unreasonable.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#25 - 2015-02-05 04:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Shocking to hear that upon travelling to the opposite hemisphere to invade a small country that posed absolutely no threat using a trillion dollar military the ungrateful natives wouldn't come and meet for battle in the open field.

Also iraq was nothing to do with Isis or terror, it was based on a hoax about wmds. It was probably one of the most secular countiries in the area and least likely to harbour terrorists or radicals, the same as the secular Syrian state now where women walk freely with hair uncovered and go to university but NATO tried to bomb out of existence on a false gas hoax (which has never been repeated since) and replace with another load of radicals.
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-02-05 04:55:43 UTC
Yeah this thread is probably gonna be locked.
Karlos Kondit
#27 - 2015-02-05 10:10:13 UTC
The film was shite. American rubbish. Nothing special about a trigger happy yank
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#28 - 2015-02-05 10:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Shocking to hear that upon travelling to the opposite hemisphere to invade a small country that posed absolutely no threat using a trillion dollar military the ungrateful natives wouldn't come and meet for battle in the open field.

Also iraq was nothing to do with Isis or terror, it was based on a hoax about wmds. It was probably one of the most secular countiries in the area and least likely to harbour terrorists or radicals, the same as the secular Syrian state now where women walk freely with hair uncovered and go to university but NATO tried to bomb out of existence on a false gas hoax (which has never been repeated since) and replace with another load of radicals.


Chris Kyle On WMDs, from American Sniper.

"At another location, we found barrels of chemical material that was intended for use as biochemical weapons. Everyone talks about there being no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but they seem to be referring to completed nuclear bombs, not the many deadly chemical weapons or precursors that Sadam had stockpiled.

Maybe the reason is that the writing on the barrels showed that he chemicals came from France and Germany, our supposed Western allies. The thing I always wonder about is how much Sadam was able to hide before we actually invaded. We'd given so much warning before we came in, that he surely had time to move and bury tons of material. Where it went, where it will go, what will it poison, I think those are pretty good questions that have never been answered."


Kyle, in his autobiography stated that he didn't believe the Iraq was worthy of American efforts. He really didn't give two ***** about them, he just wanted to protect his fellow Americans. Stated in both the movie and the book - he felt no remorse about those he killed - his targets killed themselves by engaging in hostile behavior and threatening American lives.

He was quite shocked by the evil and sickness that emerged in the Iraqi insurgency, however.

Another quote from the book,
"People say you have to distance yourself from the enemy to kill him. If that's true, in Iraq, the insurgents made it really easy. My story earlier about what the mother did to her child by pulling the pin on the grenade was only one gruesome example.
The fanatics we fought valued nothing but their own twisted interpretation of religion. And half the time the just claimed they valued their religion - most didn't even pray. Quite a number were drugged up so they could fight us...."

"They may have been cowards, but they certainly could kill people The insurgents didn't have to worry about ROEs or courtmartials. If they had the advantage, they would kill any Westerner they could find, whether they were soldiers or not."


He goes on to tell a story about finding the bloody remains of captured American soldiers, and what the insurgents did to them after they surrendered.
Tyler Miller-Lite
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-02-05 10:42:33 UTC
I knew I wouldnt have been disappointed by Eastwood and I wasnt. Certainly a powerful movie and it captures a lot from the bigger picture outside of the silver screen if you can see that far. Will definitely be in my collection of classics to watch with my kid in the future.

Semper Fi

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#30 - 2015-02-05 11:00:49 UTC
Karlos Kondit wrote:
The film was shite. American rubbish. Nothing special about a trigger happy yank


Not a Bradley Cooper fan, I take it.

Shame, I think he earned his Oscar nomination.
Severance Splice
We Can Dance If We Want To
#31 - 2015-02-05 13:07:46 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:

An aside, after arriving in London the other day, I kind of chuckled when the tabloid British press was pushing headlines about their own (unnamed, still active-duty) sniper with 170+ confirmed kills on Taliban forces in Afghanistan. Is this one-upmanship after Eastwood's film took #1 at the UK Box Office?

Of course, I didn't get the impression that the 'score' mattered much to Kyle (from his own autobiography), or for that matter, to the British serviceman.


I don't think it was matter of one-upmanship but more of a declaration of "We're better than you, deal with it" Cool

Brits are wary of Hollywood war film propaganda after the debacle that was U-571.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#32 - 2015-02-05 13:31:09 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
The willingness of Muslim fighters to hide behind their civilian population and use Western reluctance to engage traditional non-combatants - as a means of ambush - is nothing short of disgusting. Such conduct likely responsible for much of the accidental civilian body count, as soldiers learn to defend themselves by shooting first and asking questions later. After all, its better to be court-martialled than blown to pieces by a suicide bomber.


tough to get "good fights" irl too, it seems.

plex never drops either.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#33 - 2015-02-05 13:36:38 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Shocking to hear that upon travelling to the opposite hemisphere to invade a small country that posed absolutely no threat using a trillion dollar military the ungrateful natives wouldn't come and meet for battle in the open field.


Actually, they did. They were simply routed in a matter of hours. If there's one thing the Islamic civilizations (such as they are) will never be good at, it's third generation warfare.

As for the movie itself, I thought it was powerful, although a bit lionizing of the guy, a bit too flashbacky, and somewhat loose with the facts. (among some of Kyle's more ludicrous claims in his book was having shot several people who were looting during the aftermath of Katrina [one of the many hurricanes that has destroyed the "city" of New Orleans] from the top of a football stadium)

Overall, I give it a 7/10. Eastwood delivers as he usually does, a film certainly worth your eight bucks.

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-02-05 13:44:39 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
The willingness of Muslim fighters to hide behind their civilian population and use Western reluctance to engage traditional


Yeah, they're bing told that everone that gets shot a by a US Soldier is a martyr and goes to paradise after death. It really is an absolutely awesome and cool thing to get shot dead by one of the invaders sent by the devil... Everyone should do it at least once... Straight

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#35 - 2015-02-05 13:59:58 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
(...)

The willingness of Muslim fighters to hide behind their civilian population and use Western reluctance to engage traditional non-combatants - as a means of ambush - is nothing short of disgusting. Such conduct likely responsible for much of the accidental civilian body count, as soldiers learn to defend themselves by shooting first and asking questions later. After all, its better to be court-martialled than blown to pieces by a suicide bomber.

When fighting savages, forcing uniformed soldiers to play by the 'Queen's rules' so the political class gets to have 'clean hands' seems quite unreasonable.


Interesingly enough, when Israel faces the very same circumstances in Ghaza, they manage to kill a bit over 1 civilian per militant, rather than 25 civilians per militant as the USA do.

That doesn't spares that some American dude dared to scorn Israel for "killing too many civilians"... Roll
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#36 - 2015-02-05 18:14:38 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
(...)

The willingness of Muslim fighters to hide behind their civilian population and use Western reluctance to engage traditional non-combatants - as a means of ambush - is nothing short of disgusting. Such conduct likely responsible for much of the accidental civilian body count, as soldiers learn to defend themselves by shooting first and asking questions later. After all, its better to be court-martialled than blown to pieces by a suicide bomber.

When fighting savages, forcing uniformed soldiers to play by the 'Queen's rules' so the political class gets to have 'clean hands' seems quite unreasonable.


Interesingly enough, when Israel faces the very same circumstances in Ghaza, they manage to kill a bit over 1 civilian per militant, rather than 25 civilians per militant as the USA do.

That doesn't spares that some American dude dared to scorn Israel for "killing too many civilians"... Roll


What a dumb comparison.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2015-02-06 00:36:21 UTC
Well, China owns pretty much everything in the US. Here is a bunch of them, touring London. Thinking about what to buy next.

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Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#38 - 2015-02-06 11:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ssabat Thraxx
Herr Wilkus wrote:
[quote=Sturmwolke]
Even the Third Reich had enough sense to try and hide their crimes.


Yeah, at least here in 'Murica we show pictures of all them dead babies we cluster-bombed the fark out of in residential areas in iraq.

owait

Plenty of pics on the Internet of American artocities if it wouldn't offend your tender sensibilities to go look for some. As for insurgents, if some redneck ******** sends in the troops to liberate me from the decadent and corrupt American government and then starts droppign bombs in the middle of town, I'll be out there shooting at the a$$holes, too.

Retribution incited, more civil liberties curtailed in the name of safety. OP SUCCESS!! Roll

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#39 - 2015-02-06 13:42:50 UTC
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:
[quote=Sturmwolke]
Even the Third Reich had enough sense to try and hide their crimes.


Yeah, at least here in 'Murica we show pictures of all them dead babies we cluster-bombed the fark out of in residential areas in iraq.

owait

Plenty of pics on the Internet of American artocities if it wouldn't offend your tender sensibilities to go look for some. As for insurgents, if some redneck ******** sends in the troops to liberate me from the decadent and corrupt American government and then starts droppign bombs in the middle of town, I'll be out there shooting at the a$$holes, too.


Are you seriously comparing 'burning a prisoner to death in a cage and advertising it like dish soap', with run-of-the-mill wartime civilian casualties? Do I really need to point out how stupid that sounds?

When gutless Muslims use mosques as ambush positions and babies as human shields - resulting in said babies and mosques getting bombed to kingdom come - those insurgents and their civilian supporters are going to loudly scream 'Atrocity!' on CNN in a pathetic effort to win the PR war. Its still 100% bullshit. Doesn't matter if it coming from the bunghole of Iraqis, Palestinians, leftist 'journalists' on CNN - or red activists back home.

Most rational people realize that If smelly bearded men with AK-47s are using your rooftop/place of worship as a platform for shooting at American soldiers or aircraft - it might be a good idea to get your baby out of that particular house, before the Americans start shooting back.

The shocking bit which Kyle pointed out in his book, is that mothers were willingly putting their small children into the line of fire - or allowing themselves to be used as human shields. In which case....they simply got what was coming to them, because American lives came first.

The real question is.....how many babies/women would Ssabat Thraxx be hiding behind when he goes out to shoot at 'Murican soldiers? Two? Three? Why not a whole nursery? He might even get that slag Christine Amanpour to do a cable news special! Big smile
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-02-06 14:33:51 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
The real question is.....how many babies/women would Ssabat Thraxx be hiding behind when he goes out to shoot at 'Murican soldiers? Two? Three? Why not a whole nursery? He might even get that slag Christine Amanpour to do a cable news special! Big smile
Straight

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