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Clint Eastwood's AMERICAN SNIPER

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#1 - 2015-02-03 09:39:51 UTC

Recently saw Oscar-nominated American Sniper recently in a packed theater. Highly recommend it. Four and a half Rifters out of five.

For those who have been living under a rock, the subject of the movie is US Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, a serviceman and cowboy from northern Texas who went on to serve four consecutive tours of duty in Iraq. Upon retiring from active duty, he volunteered his time helping veterans recover from the effects of PTSD. Tragically, he was shot and killed by one of these men at a rifle range in early 2013.

Walked out thinking it was probably one of the better war movies I've seen in while. (though I'd probably rank "Black Hawk Down" higher) Not just talking about production values - though they were quite good... except for one laughably obvious fake baby.

I wouldn't call it an 'entertaining' movie, per se. You walk out in silence as its a bit draining. Lots of people were standing outside the theater talking about what they had just watched.

I don't feel I need to go back and watch it again. It just wasn't a 'fun' movie you go and see with your friends.

But I think it was an excellent and significant movie that needed to be made. Clint Eastwood is exactly the right sort of director make it. It hit the right notes and gave an unflinching view of the Iraq War, spotlighting the heroism of our men and women in uniform - and the sacrifices they made while deployed.

American Sniper exposed the moral sickness and barbarism our soldiers were confronted with in Iraq on a daily basis, as they struggled to protect the lives of their comrades and innocent civilians. (While being mocked and belittled by red 'activists' and pampered journalists at home.)

And clearly, the positive tone of the movie was not lost on the American heartland "ie fly-over country" - as they've opened their wallets to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars - a major achievement when the big studios have suffered through a very poor 2014 season.

Currently reading the book, as well. Certainly some differences between the book and the film, but it kept me awake and turning pages for the entirely of a 10 hour flight over the Atlantic.

Curious about the thoughts of the greater Eve community?
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#2 - 2015-02-03 20:50:46 UTC
I think Michael Moore's tweet pretty much sums it up nicely.
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-02-03 22:50:58 UTC
Are you talking about 'Murican Sniper? It doesn't look very good.
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#4 - 2015-02-03 22:55:43 UTC
I don't think anything good is gonna come of this thread and it should probably be locked.
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-02-03 23:08:19 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
I don't think anything good is gonna come of this thread and it should probably be locked.


So we will **** up this thread before it gets locked.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2015-02-03 23:22:20 UTC
Haven't seen it but Eastwood tends to put out rather good films.
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-02-04 00:19:51 UTC
What looks to be a really good movie is getting overshadowed by the man. The Demigodery by the right and the character assassination by the left
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#8 - 2015-02-04 01:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Want to check that one out.

By the way, I thought this book by a Iraq vet was pretty good: The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell: An Accidental Soldier's Account of the War in Iraq by John Crawford. No heroics, just a regular American guy doing an ordinary soldier's job in Iraq. They matter of fact way he tells it just makes it that much rougher.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#9 - 2015-02-04 04:33:32 UTC
So I finally saw this movie. I feel like the filming crew did themselves a disservice by trying to fit within the two hour limit. They could've easily done an additional thirty minutes without the movie suffering any of the negatives that being too long usually brings.

Other than that, it was good.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-02-04 08:19:33 UTC
Black Panpher wrote:
I think Michael Moore's tweet pretty much sums it up nicely.

I wanna know about that tweet, but sadly I can't use twitter in the office. So I hope You'll tell me about that tweet, quote it even so I won't have to live in ignorance...

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#11 - 2015-02-04 10:06:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Herr Wilkus
Moore? Not sure why anyone still cares what he thinks, especially relative to Clint Eastwood or CPO Kyle.

The only noteworthy thing accomplished by Moore in the last decade, likely, is the volume of hot dogs he's personally dispatched.
Admittedly, he was quite good in "Team America" though.

Still, this thread isn't really about washed up socialist filmmakers from the Y2K-era.

Or, for that matter, a good place for the trollpinions of people who clearly have not seen the film.

An aside, after arriving in London the other day, I kind of chuckled when the tabloid British press was pushing headlines about their own (unnamed, still active-duty) sniper with 170+ confirmed kills on Taliban forces in Afghanistan. Is this one-upmanship after Eastwood's film took #1 at the UK Box Office?

Of course, I didn't get the impression that the 'score' mattered much to Kyle (from his own autobiography), or for that matter, to the British serviceman.

Besides - nobody can hold a candle to the Finnish White Death, who, despite taking a disfiguring facial wound - earned a lifetime achievement award for ventilating 524 invading Soviet Reds in 3 months, all during the 'Winter War'.
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#12 - 2015-02-04 12:28:49 UTC
Ah what it must be like to be the bottom 30% of high school education, ignorance seems such bliss!
Sturmwolke
#13 - 2015-02-04 13:44:03 UTC
Std run-of-the-mill Hollywood propaganda film. It serves to de-humanize the masses by manipulating the story and presentation - potraying whomever made the movie in a good light, while making the rest look like idiots or demi-humans that deserves whats coming to them. Real life has multiple facets to the story, the real truth rarely comes out. What's in Hollywood, stays in Hollywood.

It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating.
The young and blissfully ignorant fresh meat will be lining up to volunteer.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-02-04 15:29:08 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating.
The drumss of war are beating since... I dunno, if we ignore the cold war, since ever. No special timing required... Straight

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-02-04 17:19:59 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:
It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating.
The drumss of war are beating since... I dunno, if we ignore the cold war, since ever. No special timing required... Straight

This.

The world's going down the shitter at a rapid pace. I'm afraid to be alive when it gets flushed...
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#16 - 2015-02-04 18:24:25 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:
It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating.
The drumss of war are beating since... I dunno, if we ignore the cold war, since ever. No special timing required... Straight


I would say the timing of this particular piece of propaganda is absolutely perfect!
But I also wholeheartedly agree with your statement in general.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-02-04 18:34:11 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:
Debora Tsung wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:
It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating.
The drumss of war are beating since... I dunno, if we ignore the cold war, since ever. No special timing required... Straight

This.

The world's going down the shitter at a rapid pace. I'm afraid to be alive when it gets flushed...

I'm not. experiencing the end is a once in a life time opportunity.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-02-04 18:35:18 UTC
I'm still really curious about that M. Moore Twitter post about that film, any chance somebody here can give me a link? Big smile

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#19 - 2015-02-04 19:03:07 UTC
I was gonna pipe in with the brit marine`s kill rate . then I too realised that I had read about the finnish geezers kill rate then decided not to in case one of our finnish trolls owned my arse over it Ugh that geezer sure was one awesome fkn killing machine ... im pretty sure there was either a documentary or a film made about him .... geezer had more lives than ten cats !
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#20 - 2015-02-04 20:28:32 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
Std run-of-the-mill Hollywood propaganda film. It serves to de-humanize the masses by manipulating the story and presentation - potraying whomever made the movie in a good light, while making the rest look like idiots or demi-humans that deserves whats coming to them. Real life has multiple facets to the story, the real truth rarely comes out. What's in Hollywood, stays in Hollywood.

It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating.
The young and blissfully ignorant fresh meat will be lining up to volunteer.


Oh, I don't know. The portrayal of the 'insurgents' in the movie (and in the book) seemed rather...mild...compared to the snuff videos coming out of Iraq ever since Prez Obutthole handed the country over to the terrorists.

ISIS, after all, has recently taught the world the finer points of conducting a Jordanian BBQ - and are now using alleged homosexuals as oversized lawn darts. Don't think it takes a slick Hollywood production to convince Americans of the subhuman nature of our enemies - ISIS has done a pretty good job of proving it to us already on YouTube.

Point is, how is American Sniper 'propaganda' when the Islamists are essentially saying, "No, no - we are WAY worse than that! Power drills through skulls are childs play...!"

Even the Third Reich had enough sense to try and hide their crimes.
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