Intergalactic Summit

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ISD Flidais Asagiri

You'd do well to note that I am not a diplomat. I have no qualms in saying what I see and what I see is that Soter is not a combat leader. Not even a combat pilot. He’s a snivelling bureaucrat attempting to garner public favour through some mealy mouthed words on current events. Similar to his demands that information be released on Midular’s death or his flimsy proclamations of system capture Moratoriums*; attempts to paint himself as some noble crusader and leader among Capsuleers. He is neither.

I daresay you would be a more respectable and no doubt, capable, figurehead for your organisation. Soter is long since tainted.

Then someone of worth should speak up. I don’t care where they’re from or what their politics are. Soter simply isn’t that person and I’ll be damned before I jump on his bandwagon.

Avoid the point, fine. That is your choice.

Being deliberately obtuse doesn't suit you however. Unless you're genuinely suggesting that you do already lead GMVA and it is infact Soter who is the puppet?



That would be a surprise. A disappointing one, I truly had the impression you were better than him.

Mr. Julianus Soter,

I agree with you that the incursion of Sleeper scouts into our space and the discovery of sleeper caches in the New Eden cluster is alarming and we need to respond to this. However we must look at this from a logical perspective. It wasn't until the Seyllin incident that wormholes began opening up and it was the empires and capsuleers that initially attacked them because we saw the potential of fullerite based technology. With this in mind it would only be logical for them to send scouts to our space and document who we are. Of course this assumes there is a complex intellect behind their actions.

With that in mind I do need to clarify some of my opinions on this matter. I am not advocating we stop harvesting/creating fullerite based technology. This technology is integral in our fight against the pirate organizations that currently plague New Eden. They are the one leg up we have on them and can not relinquish it.

Also I am not suggesting we do nothing about the Circadian Seekers or the sleeper caches we've been detecting in New Eden. For those of us that have ventured into these caches, we have seen evidence that the Sleepers are attempting to adapt our own morphite based weapon systems to their own design (polarized weapons). These enhanced systems are obviously not meant for use on ships, hence the debilitating effect they have on our ships' defensive systems. So it is my speculation that the Sleepers are attempting to morphite into their own weapon systems, for what purpose I don't know but I can't be anything other then unpleasant.

I don't know what the goals of the Sleepers are or if they are even capable of sentient thought, for all we know they may be acting on some base programing set forth from their creators. However, we must prepare for any and all contingencies. Not doing so would be folly. But this is not as an important endeavor as ridding our space of the pirate scourge that have several negative ore direct effects on all citizens of New Eden.

Does anyone know if this data still exists? Does anyone have a copy? I think I have a decoder that I can experiment with lying around here somewhere ...

If we can decode their language, it would be a significant scientific and strategic breakthrough!

Mr. Katz echos my own feelings on the matter. The alarmist rhetoric Mr. Soter chooses to employ is a bit disconcerting considering the need for a measured and controlled response to this situation. Still, the threat Sleepers present to New Eden should not be underestimated; the empires have a right to be worried, but no right to panic.

In fact, based on the current pattern for hostility the so-called 'Circadian Seekers' are following, it would likely be a dire mistake for empire navies to initiate hostilities with them as that might provoke sustained combat between system garrisons and the intruding Sleeper scouts. As far as we know these scouts do not shoot unless you shoot first. Thus far blowing up Sleepers has been an exclusively capsuleer business, and thus far only capsuleers have reported taking fire from them. Hopefully this state of affairs will remain constant, but it most certainly will not if they consider non-capsuleer vessels as threats as well. Before we advocate military of action from any baseliner authority we ought to carefully the potential repercussions.

Furthermore, we should examine the assumption that information gathering on the Sleeper's part is a certain indication of hostile intent and a prelude to invasion. That is merely one single potential, and while the empires and CONCORD should prepare for that possibility, it should not be considered the only one.

It is clear that the Sleeper drones are gathering information on New Eden and human technology and civilization. It is also clear that their motivations and goals are almost entirely unknown as we have not communicated in any way with their civilization. It is inherently flawed to apply normal theory pertaining to territory, sovereignty, surveillance with hostile intent and military security to the actions of the Sleepers civilization (or remnant thereof) as we do not know if it even has these concepts, let alone is following them. Are they a nation? Do they have a state? Do they even possess territory?

Instead, they seem to be reacting to an unusual circumstance in a logical way: gather information, explore new a new environment and develop an appropriate response pattern to the various elements encountered. Hopefully their findings will allow some form of communication and diplomacy to develop as the only method of communication we seem to have at the moment is 'invade/not invade' and 'shoot/not shoot'. That said, humanity probably should not be provoking a mysterious and technologically superior civilization into combative action by being hasty, as Anslo so inelegantly expressed earlier in this thread.

In short, let us stay on our guard but not act before we understand what we are dealing with.

According to the article linked, the ship was unharmed until the capsuleer that found it blew it to pieces. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Sleepers took her.

I'll go ahead and respond to this on behalf of [GMVA] right now.

No.

Villore Accords has made a similar proposal in the past as Pilot Suorsa mentioned earlier. What we did, we did unilaterally and our gesture was met with near universal derision by Caldari Loyalists. Not only that, within a short time CalMil commenced a major buildup of forces in preparation for an invasion of Placid.

If you manage to broker some kind of Caldari led de escalation of hostilities as a gesture of good faith, GMVA will consider an appropriate and incremental response in kind. Keep me posted.

While I stand behind the idea that CONCORD, and the four empires themselves, need to wake the hell up and start doing something about it, here's a few of my concerns.

1) Making national announcements about a threat, especially one you know little to nothing about will not go over well with any civilian population. Many free markets are based on people's fear and adding an unknown factor is not wise. Instead they should, and likely are, having many meetings behind closed doors with top echelon members of government and military before making any wide announcement.

2) While I respect the message, it's clear that the messenger is one who sparks enough controversy that the audience can't stay focused. I understand you mentioned nothing about Villore Accords' past actions yet others brought it up themselves, I feel you should expect as much by now and prepare to mitigate such unnecessary banter. Sometimes it pays to use a proxy.

-Eran