EVE General Discussion

Ultimately, this is the unfortunate downside of CCP's (otherwise completely excellent, don't get me wrong) new faster release schedule - they have to peacemeal changes which really should be parcelled as part of a larger package.

We all know Wardecs are far from in a good place, and ideally a change like this (lower-grade, unwardeccable corps) should come as part of a raft of changes that fix some of the wonky edges to the whole wardec system. As it stands, this (and the removal of highsec in-corp aggression) is a straight-up hit to Highsec aggression, and the players who get their fun participating in that gameplay. Without compensatory adjustments to give a little back in return (maybe fix wardec evasion, or since corp-lites can't have POSes, just make it impossible for full corps to use corp switching tricks to save their POSes from a Wardec), it can only attract opposition from that part of the game, because all that is happening is they are losing out. This change, as part of a raft of Wardec-related changes might very well be not-a-bad-thing, but standing alone, it can only look like a bad thing to those getting negatively impacted.

Not to tangent, that was what caused a lot of opposition to the Power Projection changes - not so much whether they were a bad thing (in my opinion they were a very good thing, and even as a cap and supercap pilot, I'm glad it's been done), but that they really should have come alongside sov improvements, such that it was a change in how the game is played, and not a straight nerf to certain playstyles.

But Nevyn, look at what Aralyn actually typed. It makes sense. You say that releasing changes slowly is better so CCP can see what changes are good or bad. BUT. There are changes that are dependent on other changes. Changes that don't make sense, or don't have any context without other changes.

So by your standards, this social Corp thing is a bad idea and should be reversed. No progress. The end. No changes to high sec wardecs and combat.

However, if the social Corp idea was released along with a change to wardecs, it would be a good, productive change, and CCP would be able to see how the new system worked in its intended state.

Releasing half of an idea is never going to be productive.

Also, which part do you release first? If you release social corps first, you are shitting on the people who like high sec combat. Is CCP going to reimburse them the several months of game time where their profession is effectively removed? If you release the changes to wardec evasion, is CCP going to reimburse all the high sec corps who are getting camped in station and griefed? Maybe you would like to do that reimbursement.

Shameless plug for my alternative idea, add a new type of corp membership, rather than new types of corps:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5457869

What's the matter? Getting bored over not having anyone but insta-logging ratting bots to shoot in your blue donut?

Why would I do that when I can play the actual game on the actual server?


Maybe when high-sec incursions and level 4 missions are removed, and the only financial opportunities in high-sec are relegated to trading and transportation, your words will have more meaning. For now, I see no reason to go to null to shoot the T2-fit Drake with my T2-fit Hurricane and lose five times as much money as I make from pvp, when I can shoot an officer-fit CNR with my faction-fit Vindicator, or gank freighters with billions of crap inside, and have a profit margin in the five-figure-percentage range.

I understand that you 0.0 guys are starving for targets, and want to trick anyone and everyone into stopping by so you have something to do. Believe me, I was like that myself for a little while many years ago. Or at least I thought I was, until I realized that there's more to the game than treating it like an over-glorified MOBA.

Some of us don't like games that are "sweet and simple." But actually, those words sum up the attitude of the average 0.0 player quite well.

You know, there are incursions and missions in null, right?
In fact, every kind of PVE for isk making?
My point about sisi was that without pvp (or the threat of it) every activity in eve is dull as dishwater.
Staying in hisec is a playstyle that starves itself.
You seem upset about null, too bad.

Except for every time this argument has been made it's been utterly dis-proven. The hassle of Null Sec may not be worth the extra income from Null Sec for most people, but there certainly is extra income. It's just a question of if people are prepared to take the extra risk for that income.
None of which of course, has anything to do with Social Corps, who by their very nature won't be in a good place to access that kind of income, but will provide some of those social connections that help people stay in EVE.
I do agree with the idea mentioned that they should be able to do a one way only transition into a real corp also so that if they reach the point the social group feels they want to step up a notch, they can, but they can't simply drop back casually afterwards to avoid consequences.

By who? Infinity Ziona The Effervescent Liar?

Last time we had this discussion, highsec's individual income streams were both more secure and more potent.




I think attempting to game the corp creation system to avoid consequences should warrant being temp banned at least.

Yes, the effort of managing risk to not be basically suicide in 0.0 missions versus the reward, does not even get close to balancing.