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Is CSM information abused by the big blocks

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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2015-02-04 08:13:16 UTC
CCP wants to implement some changes.
First to know are the CSM members.
Some of the CSM members are in high command of big blocks.
They cannot share this information but they can use it to prepare their alliances , making proper changes earlier.
https://soundcloud.com/sludgefaces2n/s2n-alliance-meeting-01312015
Starting from 3:22
"im on the CSM , i gotta know what they are (...) we have to continue adjusting"

CCP with all the current issues nullsec is facing , why only alliances that have access to CSM members are promoted.
Can we get also some dev blog that will summarize incoming changes , so all other groups also can make necessary changes to their structures before those changes hit?

What i want for all eve players is equal chance.
CCP all players deserve this equal chance.

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The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2015-02-04 08:15:00 UTC
Popcorn mode: Engaged.





Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Anthar Thebess
#3 - 2015-02-04 08:21:28 UTC
Sorry this is not about :popcorn:
It is about giving the same information to all people.

CSM member , in alliance leadership openly confirmed:
- that there will be changes
- he knows what they will be
- he cannot tell what they are
- we need to continue changes

This is not to cause drama, just ask CCP for a devblog.

Informations are already out and used by some groups to prepare - because of this please CCP give us the same information.

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Tyllis Frankel
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-02-04 08:26:04 UTC
CSM is made for It Anthar .
So power block will alwayes rule and change game as they need to or at least prepare strategy for changes they know before all other players.
We all love market deals info....
Why all changes alwayes promote goons ?
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#5 - 2015-02-04 08:26:23 UTC
Super secret intel

There you go. Knock yourself out.
Anthar Thebess
#6 - 2015-02-04 08:31:12 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
Super secret intel

There you go. Knock yourself out.

Of course you know the difference between stuff that is from meeting minutes, and stuff that CSM members know?

You have on this recording CSM member that is openly confirming that CSM knowledge is being used to make "necessary changes to alliance"

He is not telling any one.
Please stop trolling.

What i only ask is someone from CCP that will state if every player can have equal chance to "know and prepare"

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Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
#7 - 2015-02-04 08:41:08 UTC
OP you seem to misunderstood the nature of an NDA.

You can not "prepare" (as you say) an whole alliance to something without communication. If you do so you will break the NDA. And you will be expelled from the CSM.

You can however make small adjustments in your doctrines or your politics without telling anybody why. That's right.
The easy way out: Let yourself vote into the CSM. Then you have all the informations.

But seriously: Nay to "the players need to know everything".
Because there would be fires and pitchforks every other week.
Chal0ner
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#8 - 2015-02-04 08:44:37 UTC
Yes, people with information will use information.
That more changes are coming to 0.0 is no secret. And surely there are other leaders than Nulli leaders in CSM.
Anthar Thebess
#9 - 2015-02-04 08:46:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
Thebriwan wrote:
OP you seem to misunderstood the nature of an NDA.

You can not "prepare" (as you say) an whole alliance to something without communication. If you do so you will break the NDA. And you will be expelled from the CSM.

You can however make small adjustments in your doctrines or your politics without telling anybody why. That's right.
The easy way out: Let yourself vote into the CSM. Then you have all the informations.

But seriously: Nay to "the players need to know everything".
Because there would be fires and pitchforks every other week.

Actually you can prepare alliance , and partially members.
- by moving in the proper place,
- build / install proper stuff
- have proper supply
- make changes in structure and organization
- etc.

Quote:
The easy way out: Let yourself vote into the CSM. Then you have all the informations.


Not every one wants it, and CSM should be not about : getting info before others, and using it for your own benefit.
This is what this CSM member doing.

I don't argue if this is good , or bad - this topic is not about this, also players are not the ones that can judge if this is good way to use CSM informations.

What i want is simple DEV blog from CCP, that will give us the same informations, or some pointers - because simply , for me , all players deserve it.

Quote:
But seriously: Nay to "the players need to know everything".

It is not about knowing every thing, it is about incoming sov and nullsec changes.

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Dave Stark
#10 - 2015-02-04 08:58:35 UTC
if this is like the 9th CSM or something, aren't you about 8 CSM terms too late for this type of thread?
Anthar Thebess
#11 - 2015-02-04 09:01:17 UTC
Again every one knows.
CSM member states that information is used to make harnesses changes in alliance.

We can all agree on this , no one is shocked.

This topic is only to ask CCP for a DEV blog , so every one else can also prepare.
Thats it.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2015-02-04 09:04:23 UTC
Why do I get the feeling like if I do get elected to the CSM, all the bridges will have been nuked from orbit and getting anything done will be all but impossible.
TurboX3
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#13 - 2015-02-04 09:13:57 UTC
Or you work for CCP and have insider information.... not like that happens much (too many Goons in CCP = fact)
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#14 - 2015-02-04 09:16:12 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
What i only ask is someone from CCP that will state if every player can have equal chance to "know and prepare"

Run for CSM. Nominations are open now.

No one said Eve was meant to be fair, nor an equal chance for everyone.
Anthar Thebess
#15 - 2015-02-04 09:24:59 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
What i only ask is someone from CCP that will state if every player can have equal chance to "know and prepare"

Run for CSM. Nominations are open now.

No one said Eve was meant to be fair, nor an equal chance for everyone.

Can we just wait for some CCP employee to respond.
Because almost every one here is posting that CSM election is only to get informations first and use it in their own benefit.

Lets just chill , and wait for someone from CCP to make a post.
I guess CCP Fozzie already know about this topic - he reads every thing.

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Dave Stark
#16 - 2015-02-04 09:25:57 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Why do I get the feeling like if I do get elected to the CSM, all the bridges will have been nuked from orbit and getting anything done will be all but impossible.


probably because you rub people up the wrong way and nobody likes you?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#17 - 2015-02-04 09:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
What i only ask is someone from CCP that will state if every player can have equal chance to "know and prepare"

Run for CSM. Nominations are open now.

No one said Eve was meant to be fair, nor an equal chance for everyone.

Can we just wait for some CCP employee to respond.
Because almost every one here is posting that CSM election is only to get informations first and use it in their own benefit.

Lets just chill , and wait for someone from CCP to make a post.
I guess CCP Fozzie already know about this topic - he reads every thing.

You're more likely to get a lock from an ISD than a frank and open response from a CCP employee.

Not because they can't respond, but what do you expect them to say?

The only response they could put in writing would be "Yes, in terms of the use of information, all players have equal chance and the CSM members are subject to an NDA and take their role seriously".

What else could they post, even if in reality other things are possible?

Your pushing water up hill expecting to either uncover some scandal or whatever it is you're trying to do.
Anthar Thebess
#18 - 2015-02-04 09:38:36 UTC
If you care to find my topic , i was and i am still trying to get some null and sov changes.
This is not about to make some scandal.
We are talking about CSM , every one know, but now CSM member confirmed this openly.
There cannot be any scandal about this information.

I want to just get DEV blog : Sov and Nullsec changes.

This don't have to be as detailed as CSM members know, just information what way CCP went.
I already put the same topic to reddit, as many DEV's are active there.

I don't see reason why ISD would lock this topic.

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Shailagh
6Six6Six6Six
#19 - 2015-02-04 09:45:27 UTC
Rember when CCP Greyscale who basically single handedly messed up eve in the biggest way possible and almost irreversible? ?

MOON GOO INCIDENT!

And yes, the CSMs alliances got a head start on mining the new super isk printing moons. Many of the corps CSMs were friends with totally picked up sticks and Moved to entirely new systems where the new ISKmoons were before release cuz... reasons

This is why today there are soooo many Supers/titans in the game and errrybody just dropped it like its hot. All cuz the gazillions of isk from moongoo.

And google this, its a well cited fact you can google that CSMs buddies got a head start.

Csm is a total joke.

Go read DJ Funkies blog/twitter. **** the csm
Anthar Thebess
#20 - 2015-02-04 09:51:35 UTC
Shailagh wrote:
Rember when CCP Greyscale who basically single handedly messed up eve in the biggest way possible and almost irreversible? ?

MOON GOO INCIDENT!

And yes, the CSMs alliances got a head start on mining the new super isk printing moons. Many of the corps CSMs were friends with totally picked up sticks and Moved to entirely new systems where the new ISKmoons were before release cuz... reasons

This is why today there are soooo many Supers/titans in the game and errrybody just dropped it like its hot. All cuz the gazillions of isk from moongoo.

And google this, its a well cited fact you can google that CSMs buddies got a head start.

Csm is a total joke.

Go read DJ Funkies blog/twitter. **** the csm

Sorry if you want to tell how CSM is bad, find another one or make another topic.

I posted this one , as in my opinion, every player deserve informations about incoming nullsec and sov changes.
Reason is very simple.
It will affect whole EVE, many players, also me dedicated a lot of time to fight the big blocks and coalitions, so all unused space in eve can be used by smaller groups.
Yet big block , know have this information earlier and are preparing for it.

So please stop posting about how CSM is bad / good.
If you also think this information should be make more public - please post here simple "support" to keep this topic visible.

Thank you.

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