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Is it possible to be brave in Eve Online?

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2015-02-03 13:32:26 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:

Vincent Athena wrote:
If the Greek gods were so immortal; where are they now?

Xena killed them all with magical Jesus powers.

Yeah, just had the same thought Lol

Actually, I think "bravery" is a strong word for a game ... but sometimes your consciousness can't separate so clearly between RL feelings and the game in the heat and intensity of a battle. Personally my willingness to sacrifice something for the group or commit to a potentially risky fight to some extend is a function of my in-game wallet and current killboard stats.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2015-02-03 14:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aladar Dangerface
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

Edit: Suffering leads to tear filled whiney posts :)

Oh c'mon how can i be the first person to post this in this thread Shocked

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2015-02-03 14:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Mharius Skjem wrote:
I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave?

Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles.

That is true, but unlike Greek gods, we, players, are not immortal and out time cannot be replaced. So happens that our time as capsuleers is the same one we can use for something that is not EVE, especially not the part of the game we don't like (grinding, buying replacements, moving them, insert whatever you don't like).

So in a sense, some events in eve lead to losing part of irreplaceable time of your life in a way you probably didn't want to spend it, somehow coming close to what can, accordingly to this piece of philosophy, cause fear that the brave is able to overcome - not relieving you of your life ofc, but of a part of it... kinda, sorta.

As close as video game can be, at least.

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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#44 - 2015-02-03 14:48:21 UTC
All characters in all MMO's are more or less immortal. What modern MMO uses permadeath? Wizardry Online is the only one I can think of, and it's mechanics were as such that one needed to do a lot of effort to lose a character permanently, and then still the player would lose only partial progress (as most data was stored in in a "Soul" that covered all characters). I think being brave in Eve Online means doing the stuff that puts your relationships with others on the line. Lossing allies and friends is more detrimental then losing assets, since those can be easily replaced compared to "human resources".
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#45 - 2015-02-03 14:53:45 UTC
Anyone can be brave.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/Brave%20Newbies%20Inc._

See? Open recruitment.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2015-02-03 21:13:44 UTC
Not only do you get to be brave, you get to be brave and stupid!

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Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#47 - 2015-02-03 23:19:08 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:
I was driving home from work the other day and caught part of a philosophy program on the BBC.

The gist of it was that in the times of the ancient Romans and Greeks many philosophers thought that men were superior to the Gods on the grounds that the Gods by virtue of being immortal and unkillable could not know fear and as such could not be brave.

Men by virtue of the fact that they could be killed can of course know fear and bravery. This is a state impossible for Gods.

I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave?

Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles.

So I ask can any of us know bravery?


Unlike the Gods, your immortality is susceptible to how much ISK you have.
Once the space-benjamins run out - so does your immortality.



There's no costs for clones anymore...

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Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#48 - 2015-02-03 23:21:29 UTC
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:


Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles.



I am still waiting for my former assets to replace themselves.

Is there a button I've missed or need I updating my client or something?


Get out there and earn some more isk, you'll soon get them back.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-02-03 23:22:59 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
If the Greek gods were so immortal; where are they now?


Hiding from the debt collectors.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2015-02-03 23:35:19 UTC
There was an op a while ago where I lost my ship and stayed with fleet in my pod. Our scout found a gate camp of nado and other things. We were in cruisers, and it didn't look so great. FC told us to jump and hold cloak for a bit before starbursting. I took the opportunity to leeroy jenkins and wasted the Nado's first volley, as well as drawing off everyone else's locks. We ended up eating the camp alive.

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2015-02-03 23:54:05 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
If the Greek gods were so immortal; where are they now?


Hiding from the debt collectors.


and paternity suits

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Celestia Via
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Ushra'Khan
#52 - 2015-02-04 01:40:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Celestia Via
Its all a matter of interpretation, I believe you can be brave(naive) in EvE, taking whatever risks the game has to offer.
Now, if your idea of bravery is just life-threatening situations, well, dont play videogames. Blink

I know this is not a roleplay thread, but its worth to consider this :
You as a player know, that whatever happens worst case is losing ISK.
Your character however needs to be brave all the time, noone enjoys a violent death in void, nor are they ever 100%
sure that clone technology will not malfunction this time around.

Even if clone tech was real and you knew death would not be permanent, wouldnt it take some balls for you to
go get blown up in a spacecraft?

While we, the players have absolutely nothing to fear while playing a game, some games actually do manage to inspire
fear and thus bravery by overcoming said fear. It is what seperates a mediocre game from a good one.

After all,
George S. Patton wrote:
Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best; it removes all that is base. All men are afraid in battle. The coward is the one who lets his fear overcome his sense of duty. Duty is the essence of manhood.


Virtual battle has winners and losers all the same. And noone likes losing.
Nevermind the ISK. The fear of defeat itself is strong enough, I would call brave anyone who overcomes it.

"We marched for days and nights, under sun, in the rain. Our minds and bodies ached for rest, but in our hearts there was nothing but the fight."
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-02-04 02:03:05 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
I was driving home from work the other day and caught part of a philosophy program on the BBC.

The gist of it was that in the times of the ancient Romans and Greeks many philosophers thought that men were superior to the Gods on the grounds that the Gods by virtue of being immortal and unkillable could not know fear and as such could not be brave.

Men by virtue of the fact that they could be killed can of course know fear and bravery. This is a state impossible for Gods.

I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave?

Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles.

So I ask can any of us know bravery?

Bravery? If The Risk is not worth the reward no one will die for it Bottom line....

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Serene Repose
#54 - 2015-02-04 04:44:37 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
There was an op a while ago where I lost my ship and stayed with fleet in my pod. Our scout found a gate camp of nado and other things. We were in cruisers, and it didn't look so great. FC told us to jump and hold cloak for a bit before starbursting. I took the opportunity to leeroy jenkins and wasted the Nado's first volley, as well as drawing off everyone else's locks. We ended up eating the camp alive.
And, when you were podded your computer blew up, your credit dried up, the store wouldn't even talk to you, you never got online again, and it was your last act in EVE Online...right?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2015-02-04 05:37:32 UTC
I'd rather be immortal tbh

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#56 - 2015-02-04 05:47:32 UTC
I would think Bravado might be better suited for EVE
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#57 - 2015-02-04 06:07:42 UTC
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Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2015-02-04 07:31:32 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
I was driving home from work the other day and caught part of a philosophy program on the BBC.

The gist of it was that in the times of the ancient Romans and Greeks many philosophers thought that men were superior to the Gods on the grounds that the Gods by virtue of being immortal and unkillable could not know fear and as such could not be brave.

Men by virtue of the fact that they could be killed can of course know fear and bravery. This is a state impossible for Gods.

I immediately thought of us immortal capsuleers, who can get killed and re-cloned in a hearbeat. Technically we can not know death so does this mean that we can not be brave?

Assets can be replaced, ships and crew are meaningless to us especially if a coalition is underwriting our battles.

So I ask can any of us know bravery?


First, in Eve, you can join the Brave Collective.

Second, please use the small 'g' when referring to Greek gods so you don't **** off the real God.

Third, death is not the only form of loss. Death is not the only thing to fear. Immortals can suffer fates worse than death. Promethius was immortal and suffered a fate worse than death. Bravery is always possible.
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Ushra'Khan
#59 - 2015-02-04 09:34:02 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:

Second, please use the small 'g' when referring to Greek gods so you don't **** off the real God.

Third, death is not the only form of loss. Death is not the only thing to fear. Immortals can suffer fates worse than death. Promethius was immortal and suffered a fate worse than death. Bravery is always possible.


Homer Simpson wrote:

Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder!


Greek Gods are as real as your real God, please refrain from such comments so as to not offend anyone's faith, it is not the point of these forums I think.

Other than that, I fully agree.

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Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2015-02-04 09:59:31 UTC
Celestia Via wrote:
Paynus Maiassus wrote:

Second, please use the small 'g' when referring to Greek gods so you don't **** off the real God.

Third, death is not the only form of loss. Death is not the only thing to fear. Immortals can suffer fates worse than death. Promethius was immortal and suffered a fate worse than death. Bravery is always possible.


Homer Simpson wrote:

Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder!


Greek Gods are as real as your real God, please refrain from such comments so as to not offend anyone's faith, it is not the point of these forums I think.

Other than that, I fully agree.


pretty sure anyone who believes in their god, by definition will not believe in other gods, and by a cobinmation of logic and awareness they must know other people must believe in other gods, therefore they wouldn't belive ein their god(s), thus will understand people standing up for their own god. Or should do. :)

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