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Laser Cruiser Fits for DED Sites

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#21 - 2015-02-02 01:03:53 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
I'll go ahead and endorse the ONI too. But what's wrong with SMCs on (some) cruisers? If you're not going for cap stability you usually get better performance there than witih CCCs.


isn't the point of SMCs to get closer to stability?


SMCs are there to extend effective runtime. CCCs are there to see if you can't make that infinite. The goals are actually quite different and if you're not going for absolute cap stability SMCs often provide a much longer runtime from their combined buffer and recharge increase than you'd see with just a recharge increase from a CCC.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#22 - 2015-02-02 01:13:25 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Generally Sansha ships are shield tanked, you could armour tank them but the limited amount of low slots means you'd be low on heat sinks and it still wouldn't be amazing. Problem with shield tanked ships (non T2/T3 Minnie ones) is that they suck tanking EM and thermal, which is what Sansha/Blood raiders do.


So you haven't flown a Sansha ship at all. That is fine, I have.

In order so something to do damage to that ship, they need to hit it first.


Yeah, it'll be great! Being webbed, neuted and whatnot. Unless you kite like mad which effectively means you're wasting a ton of time. Making the ship, while it "works well" not good at that role.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#23 - 2015-02-02 11:44:48 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Yeah, it'll be great! Being webbed, neuted and whatnot. Unless you kite like mad which effectively means you're wasting a ton of time. Making the ship, while it "works well" not good at that role.


And what that role be?

You seem to not have much experience with NPCs, do you?

No problem, I'll enlighten you. Their tactic is to hit 'approach' you until are within optimal gun range, then they change to 'orbit'.

In order to get in that 'orbit' range, they have to get in range first and the Phantasm is the fastest boat on the grid.

I wouldn't put an armor rep on unless I have to after the site is run and I don't like the repair bill.

You know there is a think called active tank that you can fit a Phantasm with and heavy beams will slice all Blood Raider NPCs in two pieces.

If you don't think it is possible, I suggest you take her for spin on SiSi and test it out.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#24 - 2015-02-02 11:58:31 UTC
Kiting while fighting NPC that TD you doesn't make much sense.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it's not optimal. Ships that can just sit on the gate while killing triggers (no need to kill everything) and being able to deal with the incoming damage while doing so will always be faster than ships that have to move away to survive/get their weapons to work.

Many times I enter a site and someone is kiting 20km+ from the gate (sometimes much more), I just go "lol", kill the rest of the triggers (and hope to scare off that other guy because of npc spawn) while sitting on the gate and then activate it. If you enjoy that style or ship then by all means go for it but from a min-max pov it makes little sense, especially so as exploration is a competitive business.

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#25 - 2015-02-02 20:10:38 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Kiting while fighting NPC that TD you doesn't make much sense.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying it's not optimal. Ships that can just sit on the gate while killing triggers (no need to kill everything) and being able to deal with the incoming damage while doing so will always be faster than ships that have to move away to survive/get their weapons to work.

Many times I enter a site and someone is kiting 20km+ from the gate (sometimes much more), I just go "lol", kill the rest of the triggers (and hope to scare off that other guy because of npc spawn) while sitting on the gate and then activate it. If you enjoy that style or ship then by all means go for it but from a min-max pov it makes little sense, especially so as exploration is a competitive business.



Big smile On that note, I was doing a Blood Raider Blockade level 4 in my Navy Scorpion and there came a burst into the room and started to collect my loot.
While blinking in that ever tempting red, I decided to let him deal with them - hehe.. a few minutes after I docked he flamed something in russian I think in local.

I know that Sanshas to tracking disruption, which is fine, heavy beams have very long range and if they decide to tracking disrupt me, ok I just shoot them with Aurora M.

Blood Raider can be nasty with neuts, but they need to be in range first. So as you said I am kiting them from long(er) range and they go boom.

I was talking about the Blood Raider Monastery since it is a common DED 4 / 10 rated complex and even though they can put heavy neut pressure on you, you can keep your distance with an active tank (which did cost me all my cap boosters) and make them pay.
I cannot use pve fit ships anymore, so all of my fits will be for pvp and since the NPC AI changes, they don't like to be webbed and scrammed anymore, so all of a sudden they keep their distance.

But the loot-fary wasn't nice to me - some dark blood radio crystals Sad and a tag..

Oh and you can do the Blood Raider and Sansha havens and santums with the very same fit, since the giant blobb of NPC battleships cannot hit the 'tiny' Phantasm - even if you go buffer fit.

But if all fails - Gila is the ship you are looking for (now sexier than ever).

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#26 - 2015-02-02 22:21:22 UTC
I'm using a stratios, sentries ftw. I want to use an Amarr ship for it but my OCD about performance keeps me from doing so, I might just try a ham Sac.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#27 - 2015-02-03 22:39:43 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
I'm using a stratios, sentries ftw. I want to use an Amarr ship for it but my OCD about performance keeps me from doing so, I might just try a ham Sac.


Sac has a awesome tank I could just never bring myself to lug around all the ammo it requires but if you don't mind that then it is an excellent ship for PVE activities.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#28 - 2015-02-04 03:42:29 UTC
Aralieus wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
I'm using a stratios, sentries ftw. I want to use an Amarr ship for it but my OCD about performance keeps me from doing so, I might just try a ham Sac.


Sac has a awesome tank I could just never bring myself to lug around all the ammo it requires but if you don't mind that then it is an excellent ship for PVE activities.


Well that's the issue, it's Amarr T2 and thus it gets explosive/kin resist bonuses, which is no use in Amarr space. So its amazing tank is actually kinda meh.
Sam Spock
The Arnold Connection
#29 - 2015-02-04 15:50:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Sam Spock
I know you asked for lasers but I use an Ishtar for all high sec ded sites. (grrr ishtar!) Just wanted to comment on the Blood 4/10.

I find the blood 4/10 to be the easiest because they don't get close enough to hurt me. I fly into the first room, deploy bouncer II's and kill everything from the warp in point. They don't even agro me!

In the second room at most I might get some of the missile towers to shoot at me but the cruisers don't come close. Drop bouncers and kill the structure. Use an mtu for getting the loot. The cruisers will start moving slowly towards you when you first get there but will start moving away once you kill the structure.

Have not tried this tactic with sentries on a stratios but it may work also.

I would imagine that anything that can apply enough dps from about 60km to kill everything without having to move would do well here.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#30 - 2015-02-04 16:59:53 UTC
Sam Spock wrote:
Have not tried this tactic with sentries on a stratios but it may work also.


It's even better with sentries.
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