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[HOLY COW] Sleepers, Jovians, and the 'Other'

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#581 - 2015-02-03 18:30:27 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Sansh Leko wrote:
Cheila wrote:

Last night, I extracted the model and thought the scaling was way off - almost 200KM from top to bottom. Looks like it wasn't wrong at all!

By the way, how/where are people finding these on Sisi?



Keep jumping around, you will find one eventually.


Also, forgot to add this zoom in on unidentified wormhole. WH


Other end, does it look familiar with any area of known space? At all.









Looks like j-space to me.

I'll take a look later- I can't tell enough from one image, but if it has this nebula within it than we may be onto something interesting.

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Jordan Foxer
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#582 - 2015-02-03 18:45:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jordan Foxer
It looks like an entrance into Thera or one of the frigate only shattered systems, which share the same nebula.

edit: Thera hole for comparison
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#583 - 2015-02-03 19:54:07 UTC
Jordan Foxer wrote:
It looks like an entrance into Thera or one of the frigate only shattered systems, which share the same nebula.

edit: Thera hole for comparison


Yeah, looks pretty close.
Rajeet Achmar
Rajeet Achmar Corporation
#584 - 2015-02-03 20:04:58 UTC
I noticed earlier they looked to go to thera, but I was unable to find any evidence in thera that shows so. Unfinished or maybe there are more systems in the thera vicinity that the wormholes go to?
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#585 - 2015-02-03 20:09:34 UTC
Rajeet Achmar wrote:
I noticed earlier they looked to go to thera, but I was unable to find any evidence in thera that shows so. Unfinished or maybe there are more systems in the thera vicinity that the wormholes go to?


If they're tied to Thera and the shattered holes, I'm guessing they're the other side of the violent wormholes in the epicenters.
Rajeet Achmar
Rajeet Achmar Corporation
#586 - 2015-02-03 20:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rajeet Achmar
Ned Thomas wrote:
Rajeet Achmar wrote:
I noticed earlier they looked to go to thera, but I was unable to find any evidence in thera that shows so. Unfinished or maybe there are more systems in the thera vicinity that the wormholes go to?


If they're tied to Thera and the shattered holes, I'm guessing they're the other side of the violent wormholes in the epicenters.


Latest update to Sisi gave the tower far more textures.

These albums include both before and after:

http://imgur.com/a/HfT1l
http://imgur.com/a/qTyol

Drifter battleship has intense resists. My stratios struggled to break its outer shields, which seem to have a layer above the hull of the craft visable around it. The antenna move organically.

Album of battleship post update:

http://imgur.com/a/LF78p

Edit: Battleship dropped regular t3 sleeper loot upon salvage.
Ilyashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#587 - 2015-02-03 22:22:34 UTC
That battleship doesn't look that great in those pictures, maybe it's too smooth or the reflections look weird. There is also a video of it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXVb8DUbXPk

Since there is already a Drifter 2 placeholder I wonder if they will make a model for that. It seems weird that CCP would put so much work into the ships, stations, and characters unless the players will be interacting with it a lot.
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#588 - 2015-02-03 22:24:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Yelp, I'm gonna run to the farthest corner of the universe if these things turn hostile....


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A Future dominated by the Immense Constructs of our Masters to bring about the New Era

Our Masters will show you the path to the new Glorious Nation!

They have such sights to show you!

Embrace your inevitable Future and yield to our Masters!


I admit, I went a bit crazy and this is what popped in my head, along with all the images.....

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#589 - 2015-02-03 22:50:29 UTC
Rajeet Achmar wrote:
Drifter battleship has intense resists. My stratios struggled to break its outer shields, which seem to have a layer above the hull of the craft visable around it. The antenna move organically.

Did you tried polarized weapons on them?

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Jordan Foxer
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#590 - 2015-02-03 22:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jordan Foxer
Ned Thomas wrote:
Rajeet Achmar wrote:
I noticed earlier they looked to go to thera, but I was unable to find any evidence in thera that shows so. Unfinished or maybe there are more systems in the thera vicinity that the wormholes go to?


If they're tied to Thera and the shattered holes, I'm guessing they're the other side of the violent wormholes in the epicenters.


That would be a reasonable assumption, except that all the violent wormholes in epicenters show the nebula of the Pure Blind region. It seems likely that that's a placeholder but it's still rather odd. In addition to that, there are epicenters in the other shattered wormholes as well, that do have normal nebulae according to their class. So these Thera-nebula holes could just be placeholders too, it's hard to tell.

I wish there was a bit more influence from the player side in pushing the story forward, actual things to discover and unlock instead of it just being fed to us over time. But alas, it's still cool that this stuff is happening.
Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#591 - 2015-02-03 23:17:11 UTC
Ilyashen wrote:
That battleship doesn't look that great in those pictures, maybe it's too smooth or the reflections look weird. There is also a video of it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXVb8DUbXPk

Since there is already a Drifter 2 placeholder I wonder if they will make a model for that. It seems weird that CCP would put so much work into the ships, stations, and characters unless the players will be interacting with it a lot.


The Lux Kontos weapons look incredibly dangerous. To see how much wash they create and how much they distort space as they fire. Incredible technology.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#592 - 2015-02-03 23:21:14 UTC
I wonder if the stats are placeholders on SiSi. If they are Jove, they should wipe out battleships easily, let alone cruisers, considering the advanced tech level.

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Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#593 - 2015-02-03 23:25:20 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
I wonder if the stats are placeholders on SiSi. If they are Jove, they should wipe out battleships easily, let alone cruisers, considering the advanced tech level.


We have to remember though that, as impressive as it is still, this is an ancient battleship design. The standards of the drifter ship are going to be nowhere near on par with the modern Jovian Eidolon.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#594 - 2015-02-03 23:49:54 UTC
Jordan Foxer wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Rajeet Achmar wrote:
I noticed earlier they looked to go to thera, but I was unable to find any evidence in thera that shows so. Unfinished or maybe there are more systems in the thera vicinity that the wormholes go to?


If they're tied to Thera and the shattered holes, I'm guessing they're the other side of the violent wormholes in the epicenters.


That would be a reasonable assumption, except that all the violent wormholes in epicenters show the nebula of the Pure Blind region. It seems likely that that's a placeholder but it's still rather odd. In addition to that, there are epicenters in the other shattered wormholes as well, that do have normal nebulae according to their class. So these Thera-nebula holes could just be placeholders too, it's hard to tell.

I wish there was a bit more influence from the player side in pushing the story forward, actual things to discover and unlock instead of it just being fed to us over time. But alas, it's still cool that this stuff is happening.


Hell, I'd be happy with an in-game news item or something. The drip-fed images from sisi is getting a tad drawn out.
Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#595 - 2015-02-04 00:08:42 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Jordan Foxer wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Rajeet Achmar wrote:
I noticed earlier they looked to go to thera, but I was unable to find any evidence in thera that shows so. Unfinished or maybe there are more systems in the thera vicinity that the wormholes go to?


If they're tied to Thera and the shattered holes, I'm guessing they're the other side of the violent wormholes in the epicenters.


That would be a reasonable assumption, except that all the violent wormholes in epicenters show the nebula of the Pure Blind region. It seems likely that that's a placeholder but it's still rather odd. In addition to that, there are epicenters in the other shattered wormholes as well, that do have normal nebulae according to their class. So these Thera-nebula holes could just be placeholders too, it's hard to tell.

I wish there was a bit more influence from the player side in pushing the story forward, actual things to discover and unlock instead of it just being fed to us over time. But alas, it's still cool that this stuff is happening.


Hell, I'd be happy with an in-game news item or something. The drip-fed images from sisi is getting a tad drawn out.


I can't imagine an event up to, and including, the seeming return of a Jovian faction in an alliance with Sleepers will go unnoticed and unmentioned by such entities as CONCORD or SoE but who knows.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#596 - 2015-02-04 00:11:56 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Jordan Foxer wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Rajeet Achmar wrote:
I noticed earlier they looked to go to thera, but I was unable to find any evidence in thera that shows so. Unfinished or maybe there are more systems in the thera vicinity that the wormholes go to?


If they're tied to Thera and the shattered holes, I'm guessing they're the other side of the violent wormholes in the epicenters.


That would be a reasonable assumption, except that all the violent wormholes in epicenters show the nebula of the Pure Blind region. It seems likely that that's a placeholder but it's still rather odd. In addition to that, there are epicenters in the other shattered wormholes as well, that do have normal nebulae according to their class. So these Thera-nebula holes could just be placeholders too, it's hard to tell.

I wish there was a bit more influence from the player side in pushing the story forward, actual things to discover and unlock instead of it just being fed to us over time. But alas, it's still cool that this stuff is happening.


Hell, I'd be happy with an in-game news item or something. The drip-fed images from sisi is getting a tad drawn out.


I can't imagine an event up to, and including, the seeming return of a Jovian faction in an alliance with Sleepers will go unnoticed and unmentioned by such entities as CONCORD or SoE but who knows.


Oh I'm sure there will be stuff and things, I'm just impatient and want the stuff and things now Big smile
The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#597 - 2015-02-04 01:37:23 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:


I can't imagine an event up to, and including, the seeming return of a Jovian faction in an alliance with Sleepers will go unnoticed and unmentioned by such entities as CONCORD or SoE but who knows.


Actually that's a point. What the f*** are CONCORD going to do about this? And more to the point, how are CCP gonna explain that Stratioses have killed Drifter battleships, which are supposedly Jove tech, but CONCORD battleships which are empire-built with partial Jove tech are utterly untouchable and godlike?
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#598 - 2015-02-04 02:41:43 UTC
am wondering. The jove station is about 180km high (estimated). Are Jove using warp drives in their elevators?

Not to mention that when the elevators would break and you would have to find spare parts by foot using the stairs. This could take up to a month if you are a semi decent athlete (dependent where the room with the spare parts is and if you can walk while sleeping).

Even if you parachute down you would break current free fall records, while solving only half of the problem.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#599 - 2015-02-04 03:07:05 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
am wondering. The jove station is about 180km high (estimated). Are Jove using warp drives in their elevators?

Not to mention that when the elevators would break and you would have to find spare parts by foot using the stairs. This could take up to a month if you are a semi decent athlete (dependent where the room with the spare parts is and if you can walk while sleeping).

Even if you parachute down you would break current free fall records, while solving only half of the problem.


Jovian.

Your argument is invalid.
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#600 - 2015-02-04 03:39:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sniper Smith
The Protato wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:


I can't imagine an event up to, and including, the seeming return of a Jovian faction in an alliance with Sleepers will go unnoticed and unmentioned by such entities as CONCORD or SoE but who knows.


Actually that's a point. What the f*** are CONCORD going to do about this? And more to the point, how are CCP gonna explain that Stratioses have killed Drifter battleships, which are supposedly Jove tech, but CONCORD battleships which are empire-built with partial Jove tech are utterly untouchable and godlike?

I see a few ways.

- One, It's not actually "Jove".. They could be using human capsulears (SOC?) in ships the Jove make for them to do their dirty work. Not making them too advanced as to not be a threat against them.

- Two, it's like the lore for the Empire Navies. We fight them in missions and FW, but they aren't really considered front line forces. The Lore wise, the Empires Navies can take on Concord.. technically they are supposed to be more powerful that Concord, this was to ensure that Concord could never take over. So you just break things up into the low end forces with second rate equipment faces us, front line forces deal with other matters.. Like the theoretical battles against the Sansha over planets wile we hit Sansha staging areas.

- Three, these are Jove, but not Current Jove. They are from earlier in the Jove Evolution. Perhaps from and outright earlier age, perhaps from when the Jove migrated to their current space, etc. Having not experienced all of current history, and perhaps not even affected by the Jove Disease (or not as progressed) they might be more willing to work With the Sleepers against a common enemy.

- Similar fashion, these are older Jove ships and Stations, and have been discovered by the Sleepers.. having nothing to do with the Current Jove at all. Same way I have a Nightmare, doesn't make me a Sansha Drone :p


Personally, I like 1 cause that means we might get to fly them, but not have them OP.. ( All 4 Racial BS's required maybe? lol).