Science & Industry

Publicly advertising that you have an orca/booster ship sitting in a system, probably unattended, is a great way to get your stuff blown up.

Just sayin.

You can't give boosts if you're docked. Otherwise, there is no "safe" place in Eve ;)

You do realize you're basically telling every awoxer in the tri-region area that you're recruiting and that your standards are super lax, right?

We`ll do, I have 3 miners, going on to 4.

Edit: I rewrote the original post.

I meant that I will be mining with you , except that when is not defined yet because that I have no planned schedule for it yet.

I hope in the next few months (including this one).

Also , it's safer not to publish when here.


And yes, I may be able to bring 3 or 4 mining pilots with their own mining ships.

Sorry if this is garbled/long winded, I was just hammering at the keyboard while eating dinner :P

For the most part, public mining fleets don't exist for the very reason you said. Gankers. Others have tried this before (like Astral Services) and no one does it anymore for a reason. Yes, incursion fleets/mission runners have to worry about ganks as well, but with one major difference. Those people are in combat ships that can shoot back.

I've thought about this quite a bit, as I had plans of doing something similar before I got out of mining. But for now let's assume you're not just baiting people so you can gank them yourself.

1. Don't stay in the same system. A solo miner has two choices: mine alone and *maybe* get ganked, or join the mining fleet that's in the same place everyday and certainly get ganked. If you're in one system, day in and day out, you're throwing sharks in the kiddy pool. You would be best served moving around frequently. I wouldn't even be in the same system more than once a week. It certainly won't stop all ganks, but just makes it slightly harder to find you. Which brings me to:

2. Be "public" but not THAT public. Don't broadcast a public fleet, and certainly don't post about it in the forums. Contact and invite miners individually, to help keep the rif-raf out altogether. Again, this will only make you >slightly< harder to find, but also means:

3. You need to be constantly contacting new people. 99% of new miners will either leave the game, or move on to more lucrative things. In order to keep a working fleet, someone needs to be constantly contacting the NEW miners coming into the game to let them know there is an option. Which means:

4. You need more people. If it's just you, and you're only on during certain times, it's not really helpdul to anyone. If it's just you, and your AFK Orca is sitting in one system all day (which means anyone can scan you down and gank/bump you into non-existence), that system may very well be completely empty of roids in a very short time, making the non-moving fleet useless. You would also need someone TRUSTWORTHY to manage the fleet at all times. To avoid all of this would mean hiring additional people that can all fly orca's and convincing them it's worth their time. Which is the problem:

5. It's not worth your time. IF (and that's a big IF) every person mining in the fleet sold you 100% of their ore (which won't be much, because you'll have nothing but ventures and retrievers; let's face it, any serious miner will have their OWN fleet) it would take you weeks/months to cover the cost of ONE Orca. Add additional hired people to the mix, and you'd almost be better off solo mining yourself.

6. There's several more points here, but I'm going to stop. Basically the time required and the logistics of the operation are just not cost efficient. Not even a little.

From the social side of it, it's a great way to meet new people (assuming they aren't AFK mining) and doing some recruiting for your corp. But, as this is Eve, some people would love nothing more than to rain on your parade. Which then leads ganked miners to complaining about YOU, and ruins what reputation you have.

Please note, I'm not trying to dissuade you or anything. If I was in a closer system I'd even be willing to help a bit. But ultimately points #5 and 6 were the reason I bailed on this idea.

I solved this issue by just building my own mining fleet. I had three miners and an orca before I stopped mining. I would occasionally give boost to people I knew but ignored requests from others.

Gankers have made miners paranoid so any offer of a fleet from a stranger would most likely thought of as a trap.

Thanks =D

I've been offered to join these mining ops as well and have accepted. Very useful for players who only have a little time for EVE, but like to keep in touch, very fair prices - very nice people