Crime & Punishment

Ok, so you posted this thread in C&P. Everyone that reads this subforum already knows how to avoid getting suicide ganked and/or is a member of codedot. OP success?

Not really, since my objection is pretty clearly stated. If all you care about is new player retention, theres no reason to stop at simply outlawing nonconsensual PVP in hisec. After all, i have no doubts that there are new players who were can flipped, baited, scammed, and entered lowsec and died, only to quit eve in rage.

What hes basically saying, is that his ideas arent extreme, because new player retention is the most important thing right now.

But thats not what eves about. The central concept of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place. Unforgiving. Only those that rise to the challenge, get to explore all of its wonders and horrors. All of his ideas utterly ignore and demolish these concepts.

I truly hope that he sees how my post is ridiculous, because the changes he is proposing is no different.

That's all well and good, but if CCP just ignore the fact that their player retention is incredibly dire, there won't be a game left for you to not quit. And to be fair, the game is a lot harsher now than it used to be, purely because the players looking to pirate you in highsec are so much more organised, and have a focus of purposely trolling players.

But what you are saying is far more ridiculous, making his idea look less ridiculous in contrast. Is that what you were aiming for?

Nope. EVE is a sandbox, where one part of it is the ability to blow up other players against their will. There's considerably more to EVE than just that, and the idea that EVE is harsh is laughable considering how easy it is to not be affected by anything other people do.

There is a 100% way to never be ganked in Hi Sec.

Leave High Sec.

If everyone left Hi Sec, they would have nothing to do, and you'd have won the war.

I have to agree on the topic of tanking, seriously the health of most mining ships is good , but taking a little time to install armor instead of expanded cargo holds might make the difference. Or at the very least keep one alive long enough for concord rage to arrive.

Let's see. He suggests removing highsec aggression, you suggest removing any method a character younger than 5 months in age can be killed, player driven or not, as well as any an all scams or any other negative forms of behaviour against the same category of player. An you can't see why that's considerably more ridiculous?

I'm aware there can be, but you said "The central concept of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place" which implies that there's just one and that's it. Had you said "One of the central conepts of Eve is that the universe is a harsh place" then that would not have been the case.

People will always complain about things they feel are unfair to them. That doesn't make the game harsh. Hell, have you not seen WoW players complaining about WoW? The fact is that everything in EVE boils down to isk, and isk can be earned in massive volumes passively or simply bought for cash if you fancy buying some plex. I've never in my entire time of playing EVE ever got to the point where I've lost something I couldn't immediately replace, and I've lost some pretty expensive stuff. Compare that to when I played Neocron back when it was actually harsh, where 1 false step meant you dropped your 4 slot CS which you might never see again, and EVE is a walk in the park.

The idea that EVE is harsh is a marketing tactic, that's all. The game mechanics don't really match that. If it was harsh, you wouldn't be able to roll out an AFKtar and earn billions, you wouldn't be able to blitz L4s and you certainly wouldn't be able to hide behind alts when ganking freighters in dirt cheap ships.

think what he means is if theres d!ckheads in the neighbourhood then move out

What you believe to be my interpretation is incorrect. My interpretation of your sentence was that EVE has spaceships in it, which makes me completely correct on my interpretation. As I have now corrected you all ambiguity has disappeared.

What you stated was still what you stated, even if you want to go back and revise it.

I'm not really sure how that matters. What you implied was that people whining indicated that a game was harsh. Wow players do in fact whine all the time, and yet it's generally accepted that WoW is the epitome of a themepark MMO. I suppose that will be revised and my interpretation of that will be wrong too.


Point of fact, I'm a 2005 player. But yeah, surely a game that was harsh would involve losses which you couldn't immediately replace?

The game isn't particularly harsh on new players either, and certainly not by design. The only thing that is "harsh" on new players is how many veterans go out of their way to berate new players once they've destroyed their first few ships. It's like walking into an unmoderated chatroom with spaceships in it. I'm quite often convinced that many of the veterans here don't want new players in the game. You're going to have to do a lot of convincing if you want me to believe that a "central concept" of EVE is purposely trolling noobs out of the game, and when I joined that certainly wasn't anywhere near as common as it is now. Sure, you got blown up but you didn't get so much "LOL, rekt, gtfo noob, go back to wow, cry moar" and other such welcoming comments when it happened.

I've played games that are actually harsh by design, that have serious consequences if you lose a fight. EVE is simply not one of those games these days. EVE is just the 4chan of video games.

Original, really.

We all know that very rarely will anyone be "defeated" since even stripped of all power people still bleat from the sidelines about how they are still there. It's pretty safe to say that CODE is as defeated as the highsec carebears they fight however. So both sides are losing.

Thanks.