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Astecus, a response to something i read somewhere
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Kthome Mares
Doomheim
#61 - 2015-02-01 19:59:48 UTC
I wonder why astecus won't respond? The fearless antiganking leader must be afraid about the truth of being too toxic
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#62 - 2015-02-01 20:17:56 UTC
Kthome Mares wrote:
I wonder why astecus won't respond? The fearless antiganking leader must be afraid about the truth of being too toxic


Says the fearless alt...Roll
Futt Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-02-02 09:34:23 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
Double Hint: a retriver can be built for less than 5 mill, and some frgs/dessies for less than 30,000 per ship.




Pass the crack pipe, seems to be some good **** you got going there.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#64 - 2015-02-02 11:06:56 UTC
Kthome Mares wrote:
I wonder why astecus won't respond? The fearless antiganking leader must be afraid about the truth of being too toxic
It's probably just tl;dr. It's basically a guy whining because he was in an anti-ganking channel, decided to go out ganking, then was shocked at being booted from the channel. The rest is just personal attacks and trolling, so it's not really worthy of a response.

And in truth, yeah, AG's fail a lot, but it's certainly not for lack of trying. They've got the short straw in all this, as the game is stacked in the gankers favour. The ganker picks and preps the target and just has to get the gank ships to it. AGs don't have that luxury, they have to work out which target is going to get hit, then get there before the 30 second window in which the target dies. Even when AGs do manage to get there in time and save the target, they've then got to get the target out of harms way before the gank fleet returns for round two, and with a half competent bumper that can be pretty tough itself. Considering how well established CODE and Goons are, it's respectable that AGs manage to get the results they do.

The thing is, on both sides it's just gameplay. Neither ganking or anti-ganking is inherently bad, and both sides have far too many players that just want to insult and troll people (and refer to pretty much any response as tears) rather than just play the game.

Futt Isimazu wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Double Hint: a retriver can be built for less than 5 mill, and some frgs/dessies for less than 30,000 per ship.
Pass the crack pipe, seems to be some good **** you got going there.
I imagine there's something seriously wrong with his math there. I kinda hope he's been selling retrievers for way under build cost while thinking his margins are >100%.

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Kthome Mares
Doomheim
#65 - 2015-02-02 23:36:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kthome Mares wrote:
I wonder why astecus won't respond? The fearless antiganking leader must be afraid about the truth of being too toxic
It's probably just tl;dr. It's basically a guy whining because he was in an anti-ganking channel, decided to go out ganking, then was shocked at being booted from the channel. The rest is just personal attacks and trolling, so it's not really worthy of a response.

And in truth, yeah, AG's fail a lot, but it's certainly not for lack of trying. They've got the short straw in all this, as the game is stacked in the gankers favour. The ganker picks and preps the target and just has to get the gank ships to it. AGs don't have that luxury, they have to work out which target is going to get hit, then get there before the 30 second window in which the target dies. Even when AGs do manage to get there in time and save the target, they've then got to get the target out of harms way before the gank fleet returns for round two, and with a half competent bumper that can be pretty tough itself. Considering how well established CODE and Goons are, it's respectable that AGs manage to get the results they do.

The thing is, on both sides it's just gameplay. Neither ganking or anti-ganking is inherently bad, and both sides have far too many players that just want to insult and troll people (and refer to pretty much any response as tears) rather than just play the game.

Futt Isimazu wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
Double Hint: a retriver can be built for less than 5 mill, and some frgs/dessies for less than 30,000 per ship.
Pass the crack pipe, seems to be some good **** you got going there.
I imagine there's something seriously wrong with his math there. I kinda hope he's been selling retrievers for way under build cost while thinking his margins are >100%.


are you able to link some antiganking results for us?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#66 - 2015-02-03 00:05:32 UTC
Kthome Mares wrote:
are you able to link some antiganking results for us?
Sure, I'll go ahead and link the killboard entries for all the freighters that didn't die:
Roll

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-02-03 00:15:59 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kthome Mares wrote:
are you able to link some antiganking results for us?
Sure, I'll go ahead and link the killboard entries for all the freighters that didn't die:
Roll


Lol, yeah, I'm not sure how that's a documentable statistic.

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Paranoid Loyd
#68 - 2015-02-03 00:28:08 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Kthome Mares wrote:
are you able to link some antiganking results for us?
Sure, I'll go ahead and link the killboard entries for all the freighters that didn't die:
Roll


Lol, yeah, I'm not sure how that's a documentable statistic.

It's possible, look for a bunch of ganker killmails where there is no freighter, should be fairly reliable considering everyone has their API linked.

Looks like there was a failure a yesterday at 9:37 eve time https://zkillboard.com/system/30002768/page/6/

But yeah it is a tedious process and doesn't necessarily denote that AG had anything to do with it.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#69 - 2015-02-03 08:24:59 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
It's possible, look for a bunch of ganker killmails where there is no freighter, should be fairly reliable considering everyone has their API linked.

Looks like there was a failure a yesterday at 9:37 eve time https://zkillboard.com/system/30002768/page/6/

But yeah it is a tedious process and doesn't necessarily denote that AG had anything to do with it.
Yeah, There's also times where AGs manage to get a target into warp, or put off a gank attempt entirely, which would also be pretty much impossible to see. Pretty much the only ones that can be easily seen are when they gank bumping ships.

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Vector Symian
0 Fear
#70 - 2015-02-06 04:41:45 UTC
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