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How to enjoy Tengu? [long post, wall of text]
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Dmitriy Nekrasov
Pivnay Kega Corp
ZERG REBORN
#1 - 2015-02-02 14:56:23 UTC
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Greetings,

to be truthful this is my first forum post (no alts) and I'm not sure that this is the place where it should belong to, but I decided to have a try.

Mostly my problem and question are connected to ship and that's why I selected this section of the forum.

Inb4: I read a lot, I searched all the wikies, battleclinik and forums, but I'm to inexperienced to understand weather smth is good and interesting for me. Most of the information is too short and don't give me the whole picture.

So... I really need an advise from more experienced and active players.
I will try to give you as much info as I can and I really hope that people won't see any offensive, or troll-things in my post.

1. I play EVE very passively from 2012 (with this account, there are also were few trials before but non of them left)
2. Back at the time when I just started I thought that eve will be very big and fun universe for me to discover (well yes it still is) but I lost motive and target for myself currently. My main idea in the beginning was "I'll start with security missions, get to tier 4, will get money there and learn how to fight, then I will be skilled enough to try some corp-activities and pvp". Because I played hell-of-mmo before EVE temp of player progress broke me apart a little. Early missions were boring, ships that I had seemed boring to me, and I started trying as much activities as I could. Almost got skills for Orca, mined a lot, tried some explorations... but all of this seemed pointless to me in the end, it lacked action, lore, plot and everything. And at that time I finally got my skills to the lvl were I can fly Drake. This ship was pretty badass and lazy and I hoped that now I can participate in some nice PVE activities, but I only found out that I need to get back to grinding lvl1 missions for the reputation and kinda lost my motivation again.
3. From the time I first seen Tengu I fell in love. Because in my opinion it is very versatile ship that can be well-ronded jack-of-all-trades, like I always used to play in other games like... you know... knight that can heal himself, tank, cast magic spells and etc. So I rushed to it. Now I have everything that I need to fly Tengu at LVL5, and keep lvling HAMs, Cloaking and stuff like this.
4. I really got used to Drake-like tank (passive with invuls and etc), have all needed skills in 5
5. I really like missiles, have everything in 5 for HM, now leveling HAMs
6. I really want and will fly Tengu. I will buy and resell PLEXs if needed to buy it, but I will have it in my hangar
7. I'm not a good pilot at all, almost no pvp participation. Most of the time just lvling skills, reading, mining, killing things, few runs on sleepers with drake (almost got killed few times).
Summary: Well I'm almost newbie in eve online except that I have few years account with 14kk sp, I want Tengu and I have no target in game, because such sandboxes are always hard for me to enjoy. But, this is the only game that I always return in the end. This is my tranquility temple, my beautiful corner of comfort, even If I just sit in a station.

What I need/want?

I want to find reason for my upcoming Tengu, I want to do smthing, to enjoy the game, maybe run different missions and learn the lore of EVE, maybe hunt sleepers, smthing!

I know there are incredible amount of activities in this game, I just can't chose one for myself.

So what I really want is to ask the community for advise: what is a nice activity for guy that have a decent tengu, few hours after work, not that many friends with not that awesome ships? I just want... to have something except hanging in the hangar. I want to enjoy the game in the beautiful ship utilizing it best qualities.

So maybe somebody can advice my an activity/fit for tengu with missiles/guides or better all of this?

I know that Tengu is nice for T4 missions and sleeper hunting, but I'm sitting in EFT and Battleclinik and just can't understand if those fits are smthing that I need.

If you would ask me about my dream ship that would be passively tanked tengu, preferably with cloak and decent dps (not top one) wich could do missions, go exploring with friends and sometimes fight sleepers, and what is very important will not die stupidly if somebody will catch me during sleepers or exploring. (Yes, Ideal dream ship)
But again I mostly look for a good jack-of-all-trades and activities it can do without being called stupid.
I don't like hacking or mining anymore, I prefer hitting things with missiles, they go BOOM and I get reward and fame, and fun and personal experience.

I would really appreciate any info, links, videos, personal experience (that would be so awesome), guides whatever can help me.

Please, help me to understand "How to enjoy the Tengu?"
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#2 - 2015-02-02 16:22:17 UTC
Tengu does many things, just not at once.

For L4 missions: There is both the regular HAMgu (~1000dps, just enough tank to not die) and the new polarized one with even more dps and fairly identical tank. (Both are on battleclinic)

For exploration: Tengu can refit almost to many things, but has a limited cargohold. A cloak takes up a lot of space (think 100m³) and subsystems need another 40m³. So you can fit a cloaky, nullified scangu, go out to null and scan down the DED-sites in that area and afterwards run them in your actual refitted pve-fit. If you keep an eye out on local and maybe even dscan, plexing in null is disgustingly safe. You can import ammo individually and store it in anchored containers in deadspace, should such an issue come up.

For pvp: Tengu is both a great offgridbooster, which should be irrelevant, and a very adept kiter. Since it has - in a missilefit - issues peeling off frigates and other light tackle, not so recommended for blindly roaming around. It's great though to gank any kind of pve-people, since they usually use low-trackin weaponry (sentries, large guns, heavy drones) that can't quite apply any meaningful damage to you, while the traditional 100mn fit allows you bumping / playing pingpong with the individual target or the RR-group. It would certainly score better as a hunter.

Trading: Tengu can have an enormous passive buffer and high align/warpspeed. It can be a good choice to buy low-volume/high-value goods in one end of the universe to haul them to a profitable sell order in another place. (For example, pirate imps sometimes are listed significiantly below current buy-orders in trade hubs) Fit a cloak and you can effectively ignore a wardec in empire space.

First things cming to mind.
Dmitriy Nekrasov
Pivnay Kega Corp
ZERG REBORN
#3 - 2015-02-02 16:39:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Dmitriy Nekrasov
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Tengu does many things, just not at once.

For L4 missions: There is both the regular HAMgu (~1000dps, just enough tank to not die) and the new polarized one with even more dps and fairly identical tank. (Both are on battleclinic)

For exploration: Tengu can refit almost to many things, but has a limited cargohold. A cloak takes up a lot of space (think 100m³) and subsystems need another 40m³. So you can fit a cloaky, nullified scangu, go out to null and scan down the DED-sites in that area and afterwards run them in your actual refitted pve-fit. If you keep an eye out on local and maybe even dscan, plexing in null is disgustingly safe. You can import ammo individually and store it in anchored containers in deadspace, should such an issue come up.

Trading: Tengu can have an enormous passive buffer and high align/warpspeed. It can be a good choice to buy low-volume/high-value goods in one end of the universe to haul them to a profitable sell order in another place. (For example, pirate imps sometimes are listed significiantly below current buy-orders in trade hubs) Fit a cloak and you can effectively ignore a wardec in empire space.

First things cming to mind.


Thank you so much!

Never thought about trading b4. I don't think I can manage this currently because of inexperience in EVE Market, but I will keep that in mind.

It needed me to google about plexing and I understood that I completely missed such activity... need to investigate.

Thank you for your advise! But can you help me with "just enough tank to not die" and "new polarized"... I mean... how much tank should I search for?
Orlacc
#4 - 2015-02-02 17:44:33 UTC
Tengu is a great ship, but not really one to learn about EVE in. It might suit you better to fly a Drake or some other missile ship to learn about all the different variables that arise. T3 ships, although very cool are best flown by pilots who know what they want and how to equip for it.


Either way Welcome Back!

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2015-02-02 18:27:51 UTC
Join a player corp OP. If you find a good one, all the action you want will be right there.

Then go back to the frigate level.

Learn the basics of PvP in low-sec before you even think about using that Tengu in any "hostile space" (otherwise you will be swarmed by hostile ships smaller than yourself and won't understand how you lost).

Passive tanking is not recommended if you are in "hostile" areas. It requires too many of your ship's slots to work (cutting down potential performance) and only works in situations where you are tanking substantial damage over a LONG period of time (more than 3 or 4 minutes)... not a substantial amount damage within a VERY SHORT period of time (less than 30 seconds)

How did you Veterans start?
Sylveria Relden
#6 - 2015-02-03 02:43:18 UTC
They're good with ketchup.

TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-02-03 07:31:38 UTC
I must echo that joining a player corp is your best option.


The Obsidian Front is an alliance of many corps and we do pretty much all activities in EvE. Look us up.
Dmitriy Nekrasov
Pivnay Kega Corp
ZERG REBORN
#8 - 2015-02-03 08:13:27 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
I must echo that joining a player corp is your best option.


The Obsidian Front is an alliance of many corps and we do pretty much all activities in EvE. Look us up.


Thank you for the invitation, I will!
Dmitriy Nekrasov
Pivnay Kega Corp
ZERG REBORN
#9 - 2015-02-03 08:21:15 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Join a player corp OP. If you find a good one, all the action you want will be right there.

Then go back to the frigate level.

Learn the basics of PvP in low-sec before you even think about using that Tengu in any "hostile space" (otherwise you will be swarmed by hostile ships smaller than yourself and won't understand how you lost).

Passive tanking is not recommended if you are in "hostile" areas. It requires too many of your ship's slots to work (cutting down potential performance) and only works in situations where you are tanking substantial damage over a LONG period of time (more than 3 or 4 minutes)... not a substantial amount damage within a VERY SHORT period of time (less than 30 seconds)


Thank you for the advise!

I'm currently just finished first course of the frigate level, re-learning basics of eve, done lvl 1 security missions, now I'm heading to lvl 2 with my old Drake (yes I know it's an overkill but I don't have other ships and isk)
Dmitriy Nekrasov
Pivnay Kega Corp
ZERG REBORN
#10 - 2015-02-03 08:26:36 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Tengu is a great ship, but not really one to learn about EVE in. It might suit you better to fly a Drake or some other missile ship to learn about all the different variables that arise. T3 ships, although very cool are best flown by pilots who know what they want and how to equip for it.


Either way Welcome Back!


Thank you!

I decided to fly drake through lvl2 and then lvl3 missions to understand how it is done right. Then I thing I will try some sleepers with Drake like last time I played in duo with a friend.
Justin Zaine
#11 - 2015-02-03 09:40:29 UTC
Obligatory "If you don't know what you're going to use it for you probably shouldn't be training for it" post.

If you have any interest in PVP, you should definitely go back to basics and fly frigs first.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
Velarra
#12 - 2015-02-07 08:02:58 UTC
Dear OP, you may want to take a look at the Merlin, Hawk, or Moa in addition to the Drake. Not strictly, just for mission running, but as ships that i feel at least are as nice to fly and look at as the Tengu.
Dmitriy Nekrasov
Pivnay Kega Corp
ZERG REBORN
#13 - 2015-02-10 09:16:21 UTC
Velarra wrote:
Dear OP, you may want to take a look at the Merlin, Hawk, or Moa in addition to the Drake. Not strictly, just for mission running, but as ships that i feel at least are as nice to fly and look at as the Tengu.


Thank you for advise!

I spend all my time since last post to get back to basics. Farmed standing with Caldari Navy and now can go to lvl 4 missions.
Drake is okay with lvl 3 misisons... not that fast as some other ships but good.

Will check about Hawk and Moa, I just don't know where to use them...

I really would like to have some pvp-frigate activity... but don't know how to constantly find adventures.