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Classiest Smack Talk Ever

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#41 - 2015-02-02 04:43:40 UTC
Thread too long.... PERUNGA's smacktalk is a reflection on him and not much else.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#42 - 2015-02-02 04:50:23 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Dread Operative wrote:
Honestly this ALWAYS bothered me about the fights with you guys. You were all risking ships and isk and they sat back at range and used you guys as meat shields.
Behind every good offense is a good OL. Fights are won in the trenches baby. :D
Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#43 - 2015-02-02 06:40:16 UTC
Perunga is a dickhead and always has been. Nothing new here.
Dread Delgarth
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#44 - 2015-02-02 11:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Delgarth
Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).

Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.

Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's.
Lucas Padecain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#45 - 2015-02-02 13:01:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Padecain
Dread Delgarth wrote:
Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).

Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.

Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's.


What you just said is highly offensive to many people. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but you should really think twice before posting something on a video game forum. Especially since you fail to take into account the vast majority of soldiers whose jobs are not combat related. As an example, my current MOS is Civil Affairs Specialist and our priority is to help people, not hurt them.

If you for some reason feel the need to speak up in a public forum again I urge you to actually research the topic instead of spreading your baseless and unfounded "ideas". Maybe then you won't look like a complete idiot.
Dread Delgarth
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#46 - 2015-02-02 13:40:12 UTC
Lucas Padecain wrote:
Dread Delgarth wrote:
Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).

Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.

Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's.


What you just said is highly offensive to many people. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but you should really think twice before posting something on a video game forum. Especially since you fail to take into account the vast majority of soldiers whose jobs are not combat related. As an example, my current MOS is Civil Affairs Specialist and our priority is to help people, not hurt them.

If you for some reason feel the need to speak up in a public forum again I urge you to actually research the topic instead of spreading your baseless and unfounded "ideas". Maybe then you won't look like a complete idiot.

I find it rather sad that people playing a video game can be so enraged by a throwaway troll comment made in a private mail. I'll never understand why so many Americans put their troops on a pedestal and think they are beyond criticism. There are however some great people who have worn a U.S uniform, my personal favourite being Major General Smedley Butler. Anyway this is my last word on this, I play Eve to escape from RL crap not discuss it on the forums.
Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#47 - 2015-02-02 13:40:57 UTC
Dread Delgarth wrote:
Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).

Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.

Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's.


Whilst I agree with you that western military has been misused for the benefit of corporate elites, there is alot of emotion on this topic, political standpoints, lost friends/family, patriotism etc, so I suggest you put your opinion forward in a less disrespectful way or just stfu.
Esnaelc Sin'led
Lonesome Capsuleer
#48 - 2015-02-02 13:41:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Esnaelc Sin'led
Lucas Padecain wrote:
Dread Delgarth wrote:
Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).

Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.

Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's.


What you just said is highly offensive to many people. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but you should really think twice before posting something on a video game forum. Especially since you fail to take into account the vast majority of soldiers whose jobs are not combat related. As an example, my current MOS is Civil Affairs Specialist and our priority is to help people, not hurt them.

If you for some reason feel the need to speak up in a public forum again I urge you to actually research the topic instead of spreading your baseless and unfounded "ideas". Maybe then you won't look like a complete idiot.


What Dread Delgarth is saying is that when you make the research you're asking him to do, and when you try to look things by another angle (not the one that Fox News spread for instance...) you will notice that each and every conflicts / war / battle in RL are systematically for Gas / Oil / PipeLines domination and NOT in any aspect supposedly for spreading democracy worldwide nowadays.

Money is ruling the world, when 70+ or so years ago, it was Ideas (yes with a capital I ).

Anyone has the right to believe in what he thinks it's worth fighting for. But what ones think might just be what others made him think of. May be the word "idiot" is unapropriate, i'd say "un-taught".
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#49 - 2015-02-02 13:55:52 UTC
T H E R A B O I S now claim SOV in this thread

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Dread Delgarth
Flames Of Chaos
Great Wildlands Conservation Society
#50 - 2015-02-02 13:56:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Delgarth
The above poster Esnaelc is right, my use of the word idiot may have been inappropriate and if that caused offence I apologise.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#51 - 2015-02-02 14:20:38 UTC
This is highly off any topic and quite indulgent. But thats never stopped me before. As soon as you start telling people to not express their opinion because it upsets you, specially when they make a valid point, you really should introspect.

On this topic in particular, you become a useful idiot shielding the corrupt from criticism. At least the people in the military get paid to drop bombs on men women and children, their families just propagate an environment where its harder to criticize those actions.

If you have lost a loved one, either accept that they died doing what they wanted and be proud of their dubious job, or perhaps the more prudent course of action would have been to steer their lives away from being a gun for hire in the first place.

Either way, realize that it is far from productive to get upset at people who voice objections at the actions of the government as though they are blaming the troops.

I know sovereign nations need force to maintain independence. But if its going to be used aggressively it would be better, instead of all the lies, if they said something like 'were going to iraq and afghanistan to murder people and take their resources in the name of my rich associates. At least that would be honest.
Ares Desideratus
UNSAFE SPACE
#52 - 2015-02-02 14:29:20 UTC
Lucas Padecain wrote:
Dread Delgarth wrote:
Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).

Perunga was wrong to tar all U.S military as cowards but IMO anybody who joins the U.S army is an idiot willing to risk his life for the Corporate overlords who run the west and don't give a damn about the troops fighting for them.

Sorry if this opinion upsets any of my U.S bro's.


What you just said is highly offensive to many people. You're obviously entitled to your own opinion but you should really think twice before posting something on a video game forum. Especially since you fail to take into account the vast majority of soldiers whose jobs are not combat related. As an example, my current MOS is Civil Affairs Specialist and our priority is to help people, not hurt them.

If you for some reason feel the need to speak up in a public forum again I urge you to actually research the topic instead of spreading your baseless and unfounded "ideas". Maybe then you won't look like a complete idiot.

So what if it's offensive? Are you going to cry about it? What's more offensive murdering people with bombs or speaking the truth?
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#53 - 2015-02-02 15:09:48 UTC
One can have opinions about the political aspects of the recent middle east wars. And there are so many of them and so many sides. But the important thing is to remember that those opinions should be directed at the policies and the policy makers and not at the average soldier (most of whom were looking for help going to school or whatever and/or helping their country, and not involved in killing civilians). I may agree with some of the sentiments and viewpoints about the political and economic aspects of those wars expressed here. But to throw a blanket label at any country's individual soldiers is a mistake.

In this regard Perunga proved himself wanting, and sadly other posters itt as well.

RL politics should be kept out of this game. It only leads to conflict within your own in-game groupings for one thing. Perunga was called out and shamed for doing so across an in-game conflict. This thread will probably receive a much welcome lock soon. But it will be worth remembering.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Ares Desideratus
UNSAFE SPACE
#54 - 2015-02-02 16:06:18 UTC
I thought this thread was for posting our own smack talk at first. Derp
Ares Desideratus
UNSAFE SPACE
#55 - 2015-02-02 16:11:38 UTC
As admirable as it is to want to serve your country for the better there needs to be a clear distinction between the importance of "the talk" and "the walk".

If someone calls you a poopy-head you probably wouldn't take it so seriously, despite the fact that it is probably untrue and "disrespectful" (whatever disrespectful actually means, the way I see it the meaning varies from person to person).

On the other hand it very well is true that a lot of military soldiers and leaders actually are just cowards; willingness to murder other humans doesn't automatically make you brave. Yet a true statement like this is met with far more retaliation than a dumber, more incoherent statement would be.

It's that thing where people take themselves and their ideas far too seriously because of brain-washing and national indoctrination.

I believe a person should be able to say anything they want without repercussion and that includes calling people faggots or just being a total bigot in general. Maybe I'm wrong or naive. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Cool
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#56 - 2015-02-02 16:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Dread Operative
Dread Delgarth wrote:
Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).


I actually knew Chris Kyle from my time deployed to Iraq with the 1st MEF, and I respectfully say you can take you portentous misinformed opinion of him and stuff it. You don't get the level of PTSD that he had by having racist or "serial killer" traits. Did he portray classics signs of combat PTSD that could be misconstrued as racism? Possibly, but it is extremely common to refer to the people you are fighting in a derogatory way and be wary about them (especially in a guerrilla warfare/suicide bombing setting). I had a hard time going to malls in southern California for years after I served because Mexicans and Arabs share similar features and I would have panic attacks, and I would like to saw I'm not racist.

All I am really saying, is should really know someone before you label them with something as vicious as "racist serial killers".
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#57 - 2015-02-02 17:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Dread Operative wrote:
Dread Delgarth wrote:
Some soldiers are brave, some are racist serial killers (American Sniper) and some are cowardly (like drone operators sitting in a comfy chair while they blow 'terrorists' to pieces thousands of miles away).


I actually knew Chris Kyle from my time deployed to Iraq with the 1st MEF, and I respectfully say you can take you portentous misinformed opinion of him and stuff it. You don't get the level of PTSD that he had by having racist or "serial killer" traits. Did he portray classics signs of combat PTSD that could be misconstrued as racism? Possibly, but it is extremely common to refer to the people you are fighting in a derogatory way and be wary about them (especially in a guerrilla warfare/suicide bombing setting). I had a hard time going to malls in southern California for years after I served because Mexicans and Arabs share similar features and I would have panic attacks, and I would like to saw I'm not racist.

All I am really saying, is should really know someone before you label them with something as vicious as "racist serial killers".


This is a perfect example of why psych exams need to be improved. We really should only let psychopaths go to the front line as they are the ones we can rely on not being further damaged.

Incidentally, a lot of the militants in various middle east war zones are suffering in the same way.

As for Kyle, he wrote a book and made it very clear what kind of person he was. You dont rack up such a massive kill count by being discriminate. Though, there is a great deal of evidence that he is also a compulsive liar. Like his claims to have killed 30 US citizens in the looting after katrina. I think we can all safely say that is bullshit, so im prone to think the rest of his claims are too.

Some people are just like that. They start telling tall stories when they are kids and never grow out of it.
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-02-02 17:26:48 UTC
Can we go ahead and lock this now?
Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
War and Wormhole
#59 - 2015-02-02 17:29:59 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
Can we go ahead and lock this now?


+1
Lucas Padecain
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#60 - 2015-02-02 17:59:00 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
Can we go ahead and lock this now?


+1