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Rattlesnake fit with a Gila's bigger brother approach?
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Mbatu
A-Plus Recovery Solutions
#1 - 2015-01-31 21:24:55 UTC
So, I love flying my Gila more than any other ship I've ever had, but do L4s in a LMJD Raven. What I'd like to do is fly a Rattlesnake that feels like my Gila - The jump sniper approach is less fun for me. I know that you can do great things with the jump drive and sentries in a Rattlesnake, but that's not the ship I want to fly. It's not about efficiency or speed, I just want to enjoy the mission and not get 750 isk blown up. To that end, I'm trying to kit out a rattlesnake that works like this Gila:

[Gila, Gila]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Scourge Light Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x2

Building the Rattlesnake with the same idea, I have the fit below. There's a mid slow empty here that could be used for more tank or a prop mod to get to the gates faster, whatever seems most useful. The question I have is, does it have enough tank? The fit assistant says it's 683 omni ehps, but only 215 actual. Having only done jump ships in L4s with burst repair, I'm not really sure this will be enough. The drones do more DPS than my Raven, so I'm not fretting that part. The drones have a 90ish km control range, so I could put on a LMJD, but the slow flight time probably would not be much fun. I really dislike using sentries, they give me nothing but fits. I'd rather just do what I do with the Gila, warp in, orbit something, and send my drones from target to target.

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Shield Recharger II
Shield Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
[empty - prop mod or more tank?]

'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Federation Navy Ogre x2

Thanks!
Cu3ball
Edge of Darkness
#2 - 2015-01-31 22:35:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Cu3ball
Not exactly the same as your Gila, but this is what I use in missions. Works great. Use Bouncers for distance stuff, then Gecko for when they get close. Rigs are just what I had on there, sure there are better.

[Rattlesnake, Snake]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Ionic Field Projector I

Hobgoblin II x5
Gecko x1
Garde II x2
Bouncer II x2
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#3 - 2015-01-31 23:00:02 UTC
Mbatu,
that Gila will only work in a c1-3 pulsar system, then the Gila becomes a scary Drake on steroids.

The Rattlesnake you work just fine, if in doubt, take a mobile depot and fit on the spot either more shield power relays or even ballistic controls for more damage.

Refit as needed where you are.

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Quanah Comanche
#4 - 2015-01-31 23:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Quanah Comanche
Rapid heavies are fun on a Rattler. And yes it is kinda like a giant Gila like that. On missions that I know are long distance I switch to cruise missiles. But not as much fun for me.

I like active shields and a couple Ballistic Control Systems but I guess passive could work. I also prefer sentries to heavies. Use faction if not T2.
Charlie Jacobson
#5 - 2015-02-01 00:21:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Jacobson
The Rattlesnake is just way too big and slow to "play like a Gila", since you're not gonna be speed tanking anything.

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atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#6 - 2015-02-01 00:34:38 UTC  |  Edited by: atomic killer
if you have exellent skills (t2 sentry, t2 cruise and all other skills at lvl4) then go for Rattlesnake. If you dont have enough skill points, then go for Gila. With only 3 mils sp Gila can do every lvl4 missions and make a good and steady income !

With only 3 mils sp Gila can have almost 800 dps and can tank 1000++++ dps.
Mbatu
A-Plus Recovery Solutions
#7 - 2015-02-01 00:46:41 UTC
Thanks for the constructive advice so far.

I'm at 13 million sp. i can t2 everything but the heavy drones and missle launchers. I do have the t2 mediums on the Gila and that ship does get around 650 dps, but it's not even close to 1000 tank, like 330. I have nothing to fear from L3s but I'm afraid to take it in L4s because I don't want to throw it away.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2015-02-01 06:53:31 UTC
a 1500 dps rattler makes me want to take a nap when flying it... I can't even imagine flying a 800 dps gila... not to mention people considering them valid options and/or fun.

if you just want to orbit something and assign drones maybe try an ishtar? then again with a rattlesnake you can just sit there and not even bother with orbiting stuff. The rattler pretty much just warps in and murders everything.

I'd say try your fit with a micro jump drive in the extra slot. a 683 omni dps tank just seems like overkill to me, but if you are new to lv4s having a gtfo button is worth it.

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-02-01 12:57:40 UTC
Mbatu wrote:
Thanks for the constructive advice so far.

I'm at 13 million sp. i can t2 everything but the heavy drones and missle launchers. I do have the t2 mediums on the Gila and that ship does get around 650 dps, but it's not even close to 1000 tank, like 330. I have nothing to fear from L3s but I'm afraid to take it in L4s because I don't want to throw it away.


tank your gila specifically to the rats you face and you can get a lot more tank.

Also an active tank fit will mean you take less damage by using your sig and speed to stop incoming damage from larger ships.

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Mbatu
A-Plus Recovery Solutions
#10 - 2015-02-02 13:39:05 UTC
So, I built the Rattler and put an extra shield recharger in the empty slot just to feel safe and took it for a spin - got Massive Attack (Serpentis) so not the hardest or the easiest mission, which was a good test. The ship did just fine. Cleared faster than the JD Raven and never really went under 60% shields. I might put on a speed boost once I get secure in the tank, but for now, it's way more fun than jump sniping. Might spring for some Geckos too.

The L4 Gila intrigues me, might need to look into that even if I find the possibilty somewhat incredulous.