Missions & Complexes

the fit looks mostly fine to me, my changes would be drop the drone link augmentor for a tractor beam, there is no reason for scout drones to leave unmodified drone control range, anything I'd stick my drones on I can instapop with guns at that range. Now a mission item will get pulled in by the tractor at a faster speed than you can fly to it.

the other change is I would drop all the Cap rechargers and CCCs for a medium cap booster. lets you get an extra tracking comp and use the rig slots for something else. then again that looks to require an ACR so maybe not worth it, but I would probably drop a cap recharger for another tracking computer. looks like the fit would still have quite a bit of cap life like that, plus getting used to pulsing modules is a good thing. having everything constantly running and not thinking about it makes for sloppy game play.

really?

Thanks for the advice guys. Will run the Brutix changes through eft when I get in from work and see what I can do.
Last time I logged in Machs were over 1bil, so it's nice to see that price dropping, will definitely consider it for lvl4s, if not 3s

Mach or Gila >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything else

Ok, everything you guys said isn't wrong but

Can you read the OP again and then come back to me about why a mach is a ridiculous suggestion for this guy?

Burden of proof is usually on the person making the claim but as to where my recommendation stims from:

The Mach might be a little way off for me yet, but I guess that is probably the way I'm headed. Still feeling out exactly where I'm going, ship wise, just got to try a few things and see I guess. Thanks for all the suggestions though!

Thanks Loyd for the Brutix fit, will give it a look.

Much of the information you're providing is misleading or outdated


The mach setup is less than ~530 mil
It's not about the tank. You dont need to fit a tank so all ur slots can go toward, dps, projection, mobility, lock time, etc. so everything you fit can contribute to completing the mission faster. You get more slots than a BC, but none of them need to be fit with tanking mods.


Compared to your ferox, the Mach in L3 will arrive at the mission sooner, have more dps + projection, have a higher top speed, and better locktime, mainly because it doesnt need a tank and has a warpspeed bonus. Due to the nature of 3s there will be missions the mach will have completed before you can actually land on grid... let alone shoot something.



The mach fully fitted is less than 530 mil at current prices and the OP already has a cheap Apoc.

Does Mach run them the fastest? Yes, I believe Stoic actually compiled numbers showing that it does. The caveat here is you need a strong understanding of how it should be flown for it to be more efficient.
Should it be recommended to folks that don't know what they are doing? Probably not.
Is it over kill? That is a matter of opinion. It comes down to what your goals are.

you obviously havent used a mach for this and havent actually made these comparisons..... It's not BS and ive done it. For example, just hoping on the test server here, warp to a gate ~12.9AU away (not pre-aligned), then back to station (until warp dropped), took the:
* mach about 1 min 3 sec, when fit with 3 t1 warp speed rigs
* hurricane about 1 min 33 seconds when fit with no warp speed rigs (like most BC's are fit for 3s)
* hurricane about 1 min 9 seconds when fit with warp speed rigs

So in this scenario of 1 jump to the mission system at a distance of ~12.9 AU (which is on the conservative side as the distance between the station an gate can be and usually is higher) followed by a warp to the mission of ~12.9AU, ive got anywhere between a 6 and 30 second head start depending on how you've rigged ur BC, or possibly more depending on how far the gates are from your station in system.

With that in mind, consider L3 missions blitzes of:
* What goes around comes around
* Stop the Thief
* Retribution
* Guristas Spies
* Duo of Death
* Damsel in Destress

If you dont fit warp speed rigs... these will be complete before you land... if you do fit warpspeed rigs, some of them will. And these are just the ones i recall from memory.


This is subjective. By this standard, you could consider battleships overkill in 4s, as you could complete them in frigs.

You may be fine running these missions less efficiently than you could, that's ur call, but you act like im trying to say that everyone everywhere should use machs for lvl 3 all the time. I made a suggestion to try to help someone who was asking for help, based on reasons i've outlined earlier in this thread.

IMO, the OP is in a good position to start looking at a Mach. He's:
* already got a cheap battleship
* looking at minmatar/gallente BC skills
* could use the mach in 3s preparing for 4
* refit the purchase into a L4 mission runner.

For these reasons, I made this suggestion. I dont understand why you are getting all bent out of shape over a suggestion that I gave to another player who was asking for help/input. You'll notice I never once said that a battlecruiser was a bad call/ bad choice/ etc, and the OP's exact phrasing was "if I could do better in a hurricane or anything else, let me know". A mach is more efficient than any BC, so mach was the suggestion I made. If you dont like it, that's fine, but suffice it to say I am a little curious as to why you would go out of your way to derail the thead from the OP's request, to pick a fight over a suggestion that wasn't intended for you in the first place.

Like it or not, there is merit to using a mach, but whether or not it's the right choice for the OP, is the OP's decision, not yours. If the OP decides he wants a BC, that fine with me and I wont challenge that. I will however, challenge these fabrications of the Mach you're creating. You're making claims about ship you clearly havent used for this purpose and are corrupting the valid information (being the entire point of the request to begin with) in the thread, based completely on outdated information and your opinions on how things should be.

The mach is the right choice for me in my occasional standing grinds. If it's not the right choice for you, that's fine. But let the OP make his own decision about what's right for him, based on factual information.