EVE General Discussion

+1 for you

Some alliances do nothing to improve their market and so their production populace/corps/slaves other than make gazillions of isk every month they can never spend, directors of course have places of choice and produce the most expensive ships in game getting even richer etc etc.

Tech moons should just deplete like every harvested rock and spawn everywhere else in New eden, might that be in high sec, low sec or worm wholes.

People are exaggerating the stagnating effect more balanced R64 and R32 values would have.
The individual moon would be less valuable, but there would be more valuable ones. And I never heard an alliance insist on having less valuable moons. There is always something more to fight for.

EDIT: lol @ poster above.

If I was doing tech alchemy I would be very happy with people doing manipulation to keep prices high
And if you are buying the alchemy inputs from market, you're doing it wrong...

add technetium to alchemy

while we are at it add all moon go to alchemy

AAA just mad that goons are going to get all the tech during their great russian genocide campaign.

Not a single ISK is being injected into the economy through moon mining btw.

#1. Technetium moons are the most centralised moons in EVE
#2. The Regions in where Technetium is located forms a geographic island witch greatly benefits its defenders

That is inaccurate.
All the moon minerals in that rarity class are "racial-themed" moon minerals found in abundance only in the assigned race's NPC spawn spots.


#3. A techitium cartel has been formed witch doesnt sell under 100,000 ISK p/u due reson #1
#7. The NIP between the Techcartel allows people to build tech funded supercapital production risk free

If that would be indeed true, Technetium would sell for over 250k ISK/unit by now, more than either Dysprosium or Promethium ever sold for.
If anything, Technetium is quite undervalued due to most current holders falling knee over fist into being the fastest ones to unload the stuff and get as much ISK as they can... quite often, Tech moon owners sell to TRADER BUY ORDERS, and the traders give the impression of a "cartel".
So, what do you know, YOU could be a part of the so-called cartel yourself. Just set up a few buy orders first, then you can begin.


#4. The income compared to other R32 moons is so much more hugh that there need to be somthing broken
#5. The hugh income from #3 & #1 has a too big effect on 0.0 politic situation.
#9. 1 R32 moon has 6 x more value than the most profitable R64 moon yet the R64 is more rare
#8. The unfair ISK income makes it unpossible to break the Tech Cartel
#11. There must be something wrong if even the holders say the gain too much isk form the moons
#12. 269 X 14,540 million = 3900,5 Billion isk go´s into 2-3 Allainces EACH MONTH

Did you really need 6 points to make a single point ?

The income compared to any other moon (especially R64) is high enough to be "broken", yes. But that's nothing new.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1207775 -> Posted - 2009.11.02
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=9513 -> continuation on these forums
We've known about it for 2 years and warned CCP repeatedly this would happen.
CCP finally acknowledged it as a mild priority issue a few months ago, but there have been no practical results yet, nothing was implemented.
We'll just have to wait some more. It's not like they don't know.


#6. After the T2 material change, T2 ships got more expensive whitchs has negative effect on pvp
#10. Someone was sleeping the last T2 ship materiala got change

Yes, again, see linked threads.
It wasn't exactly easy properly balancing material needs with moon mineral rarity, but yes, they could have made a slightly better job.
However, the problem is that if they wanted to remove moon mineral bottlenecks, they would have either had to kill the entire T2 manufacture system from reactions to components and restart from scratch, or they could have tweaked needed build material amounts so much that it would have become nearly unrecognizable (much more than what they already did), either way, that would have made a lot more T2 component producers angry, and for good reason.
Also, actually, T2 ships got cheaper, raw-materials-wise. It's just that they got more expensive in terms of manufacture-hours and reactor-hours needed. But that means more cash (relatively speaking) for people that run reactions and component manufacture lines, which is actually a GOOD thing.
And, again, both Dysprosium and Promethium used to sell for more per unit. Even if it was not a perfect solution, it was better than NOT changing anything.
Yes, they could have done better, but they didn't exactly do all that bad either.

Cheap alchemy reactions for the entire second tier of moon minerals is probably one of the better options, but it needs to have attractive enough numbers to matter. If the current alchemy ratios are used, it's not exactly a slam dunk, they need to buff it even more (at least for R32 alchemy).

Go away Obama

Moving ("depleting") veins of moon minerals from moon to moon at random is just way too erratic to be worth bothering with, and there would be no fighting for any territory, since the valuable ones will come to each territory eventually.
And also, why bother disgorging alliance X if the valuable stuff is gone in a few weeks or months anyway, when you could just hold still and exploit it whenever it rotates into your space ?

It only becomes a game of "let's notice if our POS got a new interesting mineral" or "let's scan all moons in the system again, maybe we got something". Which is far lamer than what we have now, however unpleasant the current situation might be.
In fact, if anything, that particular way of handling it is the worst possible one leading not only to no additional fighting, but to a more likely situation where we have even less fighting than we do now.

Not only that, but you would need to seriously, seriously buff the amount of "technetium tokens" in play if you don't want those technetium wandering deposits to become several times more valuable than they already are AND T2 prices to slowly but surely climb like mad in price. Why ? Because, let's face it, a good deal of technetium moons would go unexploited for quite a while thanks to the fact nobody found their new location yet. And even a small drop in available quantities will spark a major price surge, so as soon as the first ones deplete, the scarcity kicks in and prices start climbing.

No, if you're serious about moon mineral scarcities, you have two halfway decent choices.
The first one is a more efficient alchemy and spread across many more minerals.
The second one is adding ways to obtain moon minerals that are not related to POS harvesters but stuff like, say, comet mining with a ship.
You can do either or you can do both.

I wonder if this post would have ever happened if the OP was in an alliance that actually DEFENDED their space.

So generally what you're saying is that you're unwilling to commit to a moon unless it makes a certain amount?


We took most of the NC's tech moons, then they took them back, so we went and took 70 Neo moons instead, the income from that was nearly 100 billion a month (about 1.4 bil per moon give or take).

You see, moons do change hands, if you try for them.

The problem AAA has is that you sit at the bottom of the world in the most worthless space imaginable and cry about how unfair the game is instead of ....wait for it.....maybe you should sit down this could be shocking....moving out of Catch.

There is absolutely nothing stopping AAA from leaving Catch forever and moving into one of the more advanced regions of the game that offer more to its alliance and members