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Tech 2 loot

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Titus Madullier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-02-01 04:30:37 UTC
I have thought over the last week or so about the loot drops from ratting missions. I thought it would be great to have some rats drop tech 2 modules. Am I the only one that has thought is? What would be the problem if this was in the game?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#2 - 2015-02-01 04:39:50 UTC
Roll

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#3 - 2015-02-01 04:46:48 UTC
Moved to features and ideas. or locked for troll bait.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Titus Madullier
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-02-01 04:49:01 UTC
ok I didnt know where to post
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#5 - 2015-02-01 04:57:19 UTC
Titus Madullier wrote:
ok I didnt know where to post


Those pesky devs use some very cryptic sub-forum names.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-02-01 05:04:09 UTC
Roll

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Nakovi Kitsune
No Pressure.
#7 - 2015-02-01 05:06:09 UTC
The whole premise of invention is that you can make modules nobody can loot anywhere. Putting T2 modules in loot tables would be a giant slap in the face to anybody that cares about industry
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-02-01 05:29:18 UTC
Titus Madullier wrote:
I have thought over the last week or so about the loot drops from ratting missions. I thought it would be great to have some rats drop tech 2 modules. Am I the only one that has thought is? What would be the problem if this was in the game?

NPCs drop the loot that is not available through industry.

Tech II industry has a very fine line to it, and adding Tech II items to the NPC loot tables would wreak havoc on industry.
It simply can't be done.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2015-02-01 05:51:41 UTC
Lore-wise, only capsuleers can use tech II- nearly all of the NPCs you encounter are mortals, in normal ships- they literally lack the ability to use tech II P

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#10 - 2015-02-01 09:41:38 UTC
Pirates have faction loot. It's why they are pirates. They stole copyright BPOs and pirated them. I don't know why we aren't pirates. It's what we do when we make T2 but yea.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#11 - 2015-02-01 11:21:24 UTC
Most people fit T2, so its already implemented. Kill a dude and loot him.

If that's too complicated, just get it off the market.
Mr Mac
Dark Goliath
#12 - 2015-02-01 11:22:25 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:

NPCs drop the loot that is not available through industry.


Still drop. Drones, ammo...
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-02-01 12:05:50 UTC
Mr Mac wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:

NPCs drop the loot that is not available through industry.


Still drop. Drones, ammo...

No s**t. But the value of loot from NPCs comes from the named meta modules, and it is how they contribute to the economy.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#14 - 2015-02-01 12:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Titus Madullier wrote:
I have thought over the last week or so about the loot drops from ratting missions. I thought it would be great to have some rats drop tech 2 modules. Am I the only one that has thought is? What would be the problem if this was in the game?



Yet another noob who has no idea how industry in EVE works.

T2 manufacturing is obfuscated and frustrating enough without having to also compete with npc drops fixing your price for you. By doing this you would break, well, all of nullsec. What would the point be in moon mining anymore?
bloodknight2
Revenu.Quebec
#15 - 2015-02-01 13:18:24 UTC
Nah, T2 are useless. Let's NPC frigates in L4 drop officer mods and why not plex from certain npc BS?
Miomeifeng Alduin
Lithonauts Inc.
#16 - 2015-02-01 14:19:16 UTC
Guess someone wants to drive industrialists out of business and start a whole new game of "farm the rats"
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-02-01 14:28:04 UTC
I honestly think that could work as an extremely rare drop. Like every once in a while you may suddenly see a rat drop a T2 version of its weapon type. Still, not exactly a big need for this.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2015-02-01 15:01:37 UTC
Id be up for officers having a chance of dropping T2 loot, if only because as it is now you either get a lowchance drop officer mod, or nothing at all, which kinda kills the point of hunting the rare spawns down, especially for people who dont have all day devoted to EVE aswell as easymode bluesov over an entire region to hunt in
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-02-01 15:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
Nakovi Kitsune wrote:
The whole premise of invention is that you can make modules nobody can loot anywhere. Putting T2 modules in loot tables would be a giant slap in the face to anybody that cares about industry
^ This is "the why."
Miomeifeng Alduin wrote:
Guess someone wants to drive industrialists out of business and start a whole new game of "farm the rats"
Of course you know ganking miners is the only meta game here. When the miners all quit, we can sit and watch the gankers drool. Lord knows how long it would take for them to admit they're WRONG.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#20 - 2015-02-01 19:13:28 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
When the miners all quit,



This is the care-bear fantasy. Because they see the miner as pure and on a pedestal above everyone else, providing a vital service for EVE.

What they don't realize is that MOST if not ALL Pvpers also can mine and have mined in the past. Most if not ALL Pvpers actually build their own ships with their alts. After all it's something to do between roams or while sitting on a gate. The "war" on miners shouldn't be seen as anything other than it is - the culling of useless chaff from the wheat. If all the pure miners died, there would be zero change.

But all the carebears will never be killed because, you know, there's one born every minute....

Anyway I digress.

T2 loot drops would be the same as having NPC's seed fully manufactured modules and ships. Why the heck would you go through the trouble of mining, refining, researching blueprints and manufacturing if you can just save yourself all that trouble run a mission or site or two and buy what you need from an npc?

Likewise why would you even try to understand the convoluted spider-web that is T2 manufacturing, spend the time setting up the POSes to mine the moons and do the reactions, train the skills for both invention AND manufacturing and then subject yourself to that wholly random invention process for a chance at making a T2 item if, again, you just have to rat for an hour or two to get it?

The EVE economy is wholly based on players making things. The mere fact that CCP removed vanilla T1 items from loot drops and limited them to meta items means that they understand this very well. Too bad most of the players don't.
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