EVE General Discussion

Why would it be under attack from a fleet in the first place?

Because piracy.

No, he brings at least a somewhat valid point with that. Now, we can agree that the mechanics for doing this are in place (you can freely engage the pirates). All that's left now is incentive. Half of the equation already exists in the form of bounties, but we can't make bounties worth more than a certain percentage of the kills themselves, or they will be exploited. So how about we have CCP implement some things like ranks and medals for enforcing the law against criminal scumbags? We can even translate some of the bonuses into direct gains, such as increased mission payouts/LP gains (basically, rewards applicable for content that the gankers wouldn't engage in to begin with, preventing self-benefit exploits). Perfect solution? No, but it's something.

See, when you're talking about defending yourself , the incentives are already there (mainly, that you get to live and keep your stuff if you succeed). Granted, very few carebears are proactive enough to even attempt to try to defend themselves, let alone other people. The trick to changing this isn't to force them into doing something, but to make them think that they should be doing something. This is where CCP has failed, although by Zeus I think they're starting to realize this, after twelve years, with things like burner missions.

It requires an alt/corpmate in a webbing ship worth less than a million isk.

Yes it does.

It also helps when the target is effectively transporting gold bullion on the back of a flatbed with zero guards or defences.

So why don't people?

I've trained people to survive in this game. Not on a mass scale, and not using the same logic as the major rookie training organizations. But I have taken some individuals and shaped them in a manner they weren't pursuing by their own volition. Most have turned out quite well.

Could I do this on a bigger scale? Probably, if I were motivated enough (my life is pretty ****** atm), and had access to significant funding. The problem is that aside from altruism, there's nothing in it for me. This is likely the case for other people similar to myself as well.

CCP has failed here too. Were I in charge, I would have created CCP-sanctioned corporations with leaders chosen from the community to teach new players skills that go beyond which mining crystal to use when, and what type of hardener to fit for what mission. Granted, EVE-Uni and Brave do this, but where's a training corporation to teach new players actual piracy, or infiltration, or extortion? Why are these things not included in the tutorial?

Have you noticed how many people turn out when CCP is running their own fleet? People drop their mining lasers and everything just to try to get in on that.

The real problem is that people like you think that you shouldn't have to put any effort into defending yourself in a PvP game.

The real problem is that people like you think that you should be able to do the same things over and over and over again without real consequences.

There is consequences.