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[HOLY COW] Sleepers, Jovians, and the 'Other'

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#501 - 2015-01-31 21:14:20 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.


Actually, knowing that their weapons are Lux Kontos, or as the game categorizes them, 'Energy Weapons', this is further evidence that they ARE Jovians.

The Jovians famously had energy weapons, particularly a Mothership-sized one, that made Amarrian lasers look like cat toys.

I'm willing to bet that that weapon was Lux Kontos too.



Ah but take the prophecy into account, the reference to "little Brother".

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Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#502 - 2015-01-31 21:19:02 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.


Actually, knowing that their weapons are Lux Kontos, or as the game categorizes them, 'Energy Weapons', this is further evidence that they ARE Jovians.

The Jovians famously had energy weapons, particularly a Mothership-sized one, that made Amarrian lasers look like cat toys.

I'm willing to bet that that weapon was Lux Kontos too.



Ah but take the prophecy into account, the reference to "little Brother".


I don't follow.

As far as I have always known, the Jovians ARE the 'little brother'.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#503 - 2015-01-31 21:35:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Abrazzar
So wait. The Sleepers and Jove were once the same race. Then they split apart and the Sleepers went digital while the Jove tried to overcome their disease. Now maybe the Sleepers un-digitized themselves and put their brains back into bodies, going to the Jove asking for help against the Capsuleers harvesting their people for implants and research.

But the jove wouldn't have any of it, resulting in Caroline's Star. The Sleepers are the little brothers to the Jove.

And now they are adrift in their new old spaceships and have a severe grudge both against the Jove and especially against the empires and their Capsuleers.

Edit: The Jove rejected the coming home of the Sleepers because they are (somewhat) responsible for the Other, which is screwing around in the Jove's carefully prepared Petri dish. So if the Sleepers are coming and screw even more around in it, the Jove may be some seriously pissed off about it.

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#504 - 2015-01-31 21:52:30 UTC
I've always felt that the sleepers were the "little brother"- and they and the Jovians are now working together to end the Other's threat.

Remember the jovian body parts being collected by sleepers posing as Hilen Tukoss? If they're working alongside the Jovians, it would make sense for them to end when they started..

A common enemy can make interesting things happen Blink

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#505 - 2015-01-31 21:57:29 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.


Actually, knowing that their weapons are Lux Kontos, or as the game categorizes them, 'Energy Weapons', this is further evidence that they ARE Jovians.

The Jovians famously had energy weapons, particularly a Mothership-sized one, that made Amarrian lasers look like cat toys.

I'm willing to bet that that weapon was Lux Kontos too.



Ah but take the prophecy into account, the reference to "little Brother".


I don't follow.

As far as I have always known, the Jovians ARE the 'little brother'.


Well there are 9 races in the game.

5 "modern" one, of which the Jove are listed. That would be Gallente, Caldari, Minmatar, and Amarr as we know, with their known bloodlines.

4 ancient races: Yan Jung, Sleepers, Takmahl, and Talocan


It's actually a little "new" to me that the sleepers are indeed considered a race because my impression was that their drones were little more than just old battle systems abandoned long ago after whoever activated them died from some disease. But the mentions on Templar One kind of set the record straight and only recently I noticed that Wiki lists sleepers as a race.

And we have not had much interaction with them.

So we either have the appearance of an ancient race, seeing that there's a possibility that they have been living in some kind of cryo, or the Jove are back.

Templar One implies (without giving much away) that the meddling with sleeper tech seriously messes things up for them and another ancient race, or "their enemies" (not very clear) brought some kind of holocaust to the sleepers. I would have to go through the book again. The book only makes mention of this in one chapter, and the presence of these evil ones is not directly seen, just felt by the Templars and mostly implied. Exactly who they are remains a mystery.

I recall in the IGS forum some speculation that the Talocan were the bad guys and they sleepers went into cryo to either get away from them (or some biological warfare they were using) or the Talocan fell to some disease that the Sleepers went into cryo to escape from.




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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#506 - 2015-01-31 22:03:17 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
I've always felt that the sleepers were the "little brother"- and they and the Jovians are now working together to end the Other's threat.

Remember the jovian body parts being collected by sleepers posing as Hilen Tukoss? If they're working alongside the Jovians, it would make sense for them to end when they started..

A common enemy can make interesting things happen Blink



I'm kind of lost on "The Other". The novels of course make it clear "who" the Other is only so far that we know what the Other is capable of and what it's doing (There's a lot here from the novels Empyrean Age and Templar One that I don't want to spoil for those who have not read it).

The appearance of the Other is also enigmatic, after a very very long cloning that took years instead of the instant that cloning usually works in when getting podded. The "who" is significant, evidently The Other does not have a body, and did some heinous stuff.

(Get the books, you scrubs, if you want to know more)

As far as I'm concerned The Other is kind of like New Eden's version of Q from STTNG but way more serious.

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Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#507 - 2015-01-31 22:15:17 UTC
I don't recall Templar One as well as you do, Herzog.

The only 'big evil' I remember hearing about was the Jovian's phantom enemy, the Enheduanni who, if i'm not mistaken, turned out to be the Sleepers. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong though.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#508 - 2015-01-31 22:25:19 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:
I don't recall Templar One as well as you do, Herzog.

The only 'big evil' I remember hearing about was the Jovian's phantom enemy, the Enheduanni who, if i'm not mistaken, turned out to be the Sleepers. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong though.




Argh! I got things to do but the book is across the room. You bastard.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#509 - 2015-01-31 22:41:35 UTC
As far as I know, the Other is a emergent sentience that rose out of the Sleeper collective, which caused some kind of civil war within them after which the Other went off to mess with the Empires.

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Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#510 - 2015-01-31 23:03:34 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
As far as I know, the Other is a emergent sentience that rose out of the Sleeper collective, which caused some kind of civil war within them after which the Other went off to mess with the Empires.


To the best of my knowledge, The Other is the first, and currently only that we know of, sentient, hyper-intelligent entity, born IN the Sleeper's digital world.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#511 - 2015-01-31 23:05:59 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
As far as I know, the Other is a emergent sentience that rose out of the Sleeper collective, which caused some kind of civil war within them after which the Other went off to mess with the Empires.


To the best of my knowledge, The Other is the first, and currently only that we know of, sentient, hyper-intelligent entity, born IN the Sleeper's digital world.

Makes me think that the Hunger of Nothing connects with it as it never had a physical body ever and as such could be considered 'nothing'.

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Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#512 - 2015-01-31 23:08:28 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
As far as I know, the Other is a emergent sentience that rose out of the Sleeper collective, which caused some kind of civil war within them after which the Other went off to mess with the Empires.


To the best of my knowledge, The Other is the first, and currently only that we know of, sentient, hyper-intelligent entity, born IN the Sleeper's digital world.

Makes me think that the Hunger of Nothing connects with it as it never had a physical body ever and as such could be considered 'nothing'.


Good call. It hungers for physical existence, despite being, physically, nothing.
VTyx Soul
Station Window Lickers
#513 - 2015-01-31 23:24:09 UTC
Another ideas would I will put forward. The unknown cloaked structures could possibly be the source of the drifter battleships. If they are an earlier Jovian design, the occupants may have been cryogenic suspension due to the progressive of the disease . This could have occurred during the first or second empires hence the difference in ships.
Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#514 - 2015-01-31 23:32:24 UTC
VTyx Soul wrote:
Another ideas would I will put forward. The unknown cloaked structures could possibly be the source of the drifter battleships. If they are an earlier Jovian design, the occupants may have been cryogenic suspension due to the progressive of the disease . This could have occurred during the first or second empires hence the difference in ships.


That's a really good idea that I had never considered. If literally, right now, all the Jovians who will become Drifter pilots are waking up in those very cloaked structures.

And to think I shot at one ^^;
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#515 - 2015-01-31 23:37:49 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:
I don't recall Templar One as well as you do, Herzog.

The only 'big evil' I remember hearing about was the Jovian's phantom enemy, the Enheduanni who, if i'm not mistaken, turned out to be the Sleepers. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong though.

The Enheduanni are mainly explained in Theodicy- they were the Jovans who oversaw the motherships' movement to heaven, where the first two Jovian Empires resided.

Eventually, they started influencing far too much behind the scenes, alongside the sleepers once they cropped up as a major group within the empire (this part is from Templar One)- with the appearance of the Other (the only bodiless AI, born within the Sleeper construct), the Enheduanni, Sleepers and Jovians all share the same enemy.

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#516 - 2015-01-31 23:47:50 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
I don't recall Templar One as well as you do, Herzog.

The only 'big evil' I remember hearing about was the Jovian's phantom enemy, the Enheduanni who, if i'm not mistaken, turned out to be the Sleepers. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong though.

The Enheduanni are mainly explained in Theodicy- they were the Jovans who oversaw the motherships' movement to heaven, where the first two Jovian Empires resided.

Eventually, they started influencing far too much behind the scenes, alongside the sleepers once they cropped up as a major group within the empire (this part is from Templar One)- with the appearance of the Other (the only bodiless AI, born within the Sleeper construct), the Enheduanni, Sleepers and Jovians all share the same enemy.


This is what leads me to believe that the "many becoming one" part of the prophecy is the reuniting of the Jove and the Sleepers (and others?). I'm inclined to think that the "one becoming four" has to do with the Other inhabiting taking over several key figures, the Empress being one of the four.

But, that's the sixth event of the apocalypse, and we're still working on number four. Whatever that is, I think it's the thing being teased for Fan Fest.
Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#517 - 2015-02-01 00:02:33 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
I don't recall Templar One as well as you do, Herzog.

The only 'big evil' I remember hearing about was the Jovian's phantom enemy, the Enheduanni who, if i'm not mistaken, turned out to be the Sleepers. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong though.

The Enheduanni are mainly explained in Theodicy- they were the Jovans who oversaw the motherships' movement to heaven, where the first two Jovian Empires resided.

Eventually, they started influencing far too much behind the scenes, alongside the sleepers once they cropped up as a major group within the empire (this part is from Templar One)- with the appearance of the Other (the only bodiless AI, born within the Sleeper construct), the Enheduanni, Sleepers and Jovians all share the same enemy.


This is what leads me to believe that the "many becoming one" part of the prophecy is the reuniting of the Jove and the Sleepers (and others?). I'm inclined to think that the "one becoming four" has to do with the Other inhabiting taking over several key figures, the Empress being one of the four.

But, that's the sixth event of the apocalypse, and we're still working on number four. Whatever that is, I think it's the thing being teased for Fan Fest.


Oh wow, I had never considered that.

The Other is currently 4 people, so in order to combat him, Four forces come together as one entity...

Dare I suggest it...

Enheduanni, Jovians, Sleepers, Empyreans( Pod Pilots)?
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#518 - 2015-02-01 00:16:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ned Thomas
Allant Doran wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
I don't recall Templar One as well as you do, Herzog.

The only 'big evil' I remember hearing about was the Jovian's phantom enemy, the Enheduanni who, if i'm not mistaken, turned out to be the Sleepers. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong though.

The Enheduanni are mainly explained in Theodicy- they were the Jovans who oversaw the motherships' movement to heaven, where the first two Jovian Empires resided.

Eventually, they started influencing far too much behind the scenes, alongside the sleepers once they cropped up as a major group within the empire (this part is from Templar One)- with the appearance of the Other (the only bodiless AI, born within the Sleeper construct), the Enheduanni, Sleepers and Jovians all share the same enemy.


This is what leads me to believe that the "many becoming one" part of the prophecy is the reuniting of the Jove and the Sleepers (and others?). I'm inclined to think that the "one becoming four" has to do with the Other inhabiting taking over several key figures, the Empress being one of the four.

But, that's the sixth event of the apocalypse, and we're still working on number four. Whatever that is, I think it's the thing being teased for Fan Fest.


Oh wow, I had never considered that.

The Other is currently 4 people, so in order to combat him, Four forces come together as one entity...

Dare I suggest it...

Enheduanni, Jovians, Sleepers, Empyreans( Pod Pilots)?


Dunno who the four would be. I assume Jove and sleepers (with sleepers being the "little brother"), but the other two I have no idea on. Same with the Other. I'm kind of assuming that Sansha has been taken over, and maybe the Sisters of Eve, but that's just pure speculation.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm halfway thinking the fourth person inhabited by the Other has something to do with the lost Thukker caravan.
Tiffany 'Tiffs' Succeed
Angel Content Cartel
#519 - 2015-02-01 00:21:01 UTC
Allant Doran wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
I don't recall Templar One as well as you do, Herzog.

The only 'big evil' I remember hearing about was the Jovian's phantom enemy, the Enheduanni who, if i'm not mistaken, turned out to be the Sleepers. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong though.

The Enheduanni are mainly explained in Theodicy- they were the Jovans who oversaw the motherships' movement to heaven, where the first two Jovian Empires resided.

Eventually, they started influencing far too much behind the scenes, alongside the sleepers once they cropped up as a major group within the empire (this part is from Templar One)- with the appearance of the Other (the only bodiless AI, born within the Sleeper construct), the Enheduanni, Sleepers and Jovians all share the same enemy.


This is what leads me to believe that the "many becoming one" part of the prophecy is the reuniting of the Jove and the Sleepers (and others?). I'm inclined to think that the "one becoming four" has to do with the Other inhabiting taking over several key figures, the Empress being one of the four.

But, that's the sixth event of the apocalypse, and we're still working on number four. Whatever that is, I think it's the thing being teased for Fan Fest.


Oh wow, I had never considered that.

The Other is currently 4 people, so in order to combat him, Four forces come together as one entity...

CAPTAIN PLANET!!!!!!!

Sorry I shouldn't drunkpost!
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#520 - 2015-02-01 00:22:14 UTC
Tiffany 'Tiffs' Succeed wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Allant Doran wrote:
I don't recall Templar One as well as you do, Herzog.

The only 'big evil' I remember hearing about was the Jovian's phantom enemy, the Enheduanni who, if i'm not mistaken, turned out to be the Sleepers. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong though.

The Enheduanni are mainly explained in Theodicy- they were the Jovans who oversaw the motherships' movement to heaven, where the first two Jovian Empires resided.

Eventually, they started influencing far too much behind the scenes, alongside the sleepers once they cropped up as a major group within the empire (this part is from Templar One)- with the appearance of the Other (the only bodiless AI, born within the Sleeper construct), the Enheduanni, Sleepers and Jovians all share the same enemy.


This is what leads me to believe that the "many becoming one" part of the prophecy is the reuniting of the Jove and the Sleepers (and others?). I'm inclined to think that the "one becoming four" has to do with the Other inhabiting taking over several key figures, the Empress being one of the four.

But, that's the sixth event of the apocalypse, and we're still working on number four. Whatever that is, I think it's the thing being teased for Fan Fest.


Oh wow, I had never considered that.

The Other is currently 4 people, so in order to combat him, Four forces come together as one entity...

CAPTAIN PLANET!!!!!!!

Sorry I shouldn't drunkpost!


There are ways to post that don't involve alcohol? I am not aware of such things.