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[HOLY COW] Sleepers, Jovians, and the 'Other'

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#481 - 2015-01-30 21:26:20 UTC
Eojek wrote:
Artistically, the ship's silhouette and form are pleasing to the eye. I am guessing much of the ship's detail will come from shaders and environmental interaction via the wonder of PBR. Still, I would lay in more subltle Geigeresque organic details native to Jovian architecture within the normal-map.

http://m.imgur.com/MKb7YIQ

It looks a lot more Jovian in the game- this isn't my screenshot by the way- it looks MUCH more Geiger-esque Big smile

And I'd be devastated if this ended up just becoming another "enemy" to fight- this is the Jovians- they're much more important than that- and I'm sure CCP feels the same way Smile
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#482 - 2015-01-30 22:00:03 UTC
https://twitter.com/myronik/status/561244635004436480

The turret is called "Lux Kontos"- "Light Spear"- I'll post the stats once I know them.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#483 - 2015-01-30 22:02:34 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
The full image is now online

Ok. Now i'm scared. This thing has a battle stance of some sort. Top left corner of the picture. Looking like station killer weapon.


I also noticed that. Reminds me of the stance-swapping of Tactical Destroyers. T3 battleships inbound?

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#484 - 2015-01-30 22:15:12 UTC
Kayba Kanade wrote:
It's possible that with the Jovian stargate network down, possibly an entire system blown up, and a Sansha invasion, that their society has gone into an apocalyptic scenario, from which the Drifter Battleships are fleeing refugees, and Circadians being a 'scout out a new place to set up camp' force.

Suicide by star? or perhaps genocide?
Rajeet Achmar wrote:
Really hoping it isnt like its up to capsuleers to "finish them off" Id rather them become another powerful race in New Eden to break the balance of the 4 empires instead of just becoming another irrelevant race that attacks you like the sansha's nation.

This would be sad or just lack of imagination from the devs side. Elders are coming back, new possibilities opens.

How do they travel anyway? by wormholes? Gates are down.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#485 - 2015-01-30 23:36:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Rain6637 wrote:
Hey all, I did my best to combine the two pics that were linked in this thread.

Anyway, how do I make a Jove BS spawn?

I've read a few pages back, but I haven't found the secret to making a Jove BS spawn. I'm on Sisi with my gang, and have been for a couple hours, lurking at an Unidentified Structure. Killed maybe four sets of waves + reinforcements, but no Jove BS.




Sleeper exploration sites in known space might spawn them, "final room" I think. Getting to the end of those is going to take a team. Good luck.



BTW, if we start seeing people who look Jovian but have black eyes, those are NOT Jovian. And the people "sleeping" in those containments (supposedly) have blue eyes (no pupils or cornea either). Templar One touches on this without direct mention.


Considering how things usually go around here, I don't think Jovians are coming to give out toys to all of the good girls and boys.

And the Empress, who is also "The Other" (See Empyrean Age) can make sleepers stand down at will. Basically her latest public comment amounts to "Hey you people have been committing genocide all these years".

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Dyllan Ma'tar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#486 - 2015-01-31 01:03:30 UTC
The Other is a Sleeper, the Broker is the Other, the Broker is a Sleeper. That is all.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#487 - 2015-01-31 05:33:40 UTC
http://imgur.com/a/Xn759

Here's a bunch of pictures of the newest stuff:

Like the Jovian body models, and the skin texture for their heads- or at least for the "drifters" if they'll be called that.

The Jovian race is making its way back into our hearts and hard drives Smile
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#488 - 2015-01-31 05:57:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/Xn759

Here's a bunch of pictures of the newest stuff:

Like the Jovian body models, and the skin texture for their heads- or at least for the "drifters" if they'll be called that.

The Jovian race is making its way back into our hearts and hard drives Smile




Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.

The Jovians it was said were difficult to determine gender because of their genetic engineering but here we see more clear gender manifestation.

But this would support the notion that this is a return of another related race and considering the history of the ship as well, being ancient but put into service, these are the bodies of a race that might have been Jovian once.


The plot thickens

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#489 - 2015-01-31 06:00:52 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/Xn759

Here's a bunch of pictures of the newest stuff:

Like the Jovian body models, and the skin texture for their heads- or at least for the "drifters" if they'll be called that.

The Jovian race is making its way back into our hearts and hard drives Smile




Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.

The Jovians it was said were difficult to determine gender because of their genetic engineering but here we see more clear gender manifestation.

But this would support the notion that this is a return of another related race and considering the history of the ship as well, being ancient but put into service, these are the bodies of a race that might have been Jovian once.


The plot thickens

Maybe, I suppose- but the Jovian Directorate insignia in the top-left of the drifter concept is kind of telling.

I mean, it could simply mean that they have similar features, as in no hair, slim faces, similar body weight distributions, etc., but if CCP is putting them into the game once again, I doubt they'd make them too similar to each other to be told apart P
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#490 - 2015-01-31 06:11:13 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
http://imgur.com/a/Xn759

Here's a bunch of pictures of the newest stuff:

Like the Jovian body models, and the skin texture for their heads- or at least for the "drifters" if they'll be called that.

The Jovian race is making its way back into our hearts and hard drives Smile




Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.

The Jovians it was said were difficult to determine gender because of their genetic engineering but here we see more clear gender manifestation.

But this would support the notion that this is a return of another related race and considering the history of the ship as well, being ancient but put into service, these are the bodies of a race that might have been Jovian once.


The plot thickens

Maybe, I suppose- but the Jovian Directorate insignia in the top-left of the drifter concept is kind of telling.

I mean, it could simply mean that they have similar features, as in no hair, slim faces, similar body weight distributions, etc., but if CCP is putting them into the game once again, I doubt they'd make them too similar to each other to be told apart P



OR

The character creator requires it. Cool

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#491 - 2015-01-31 07:13:45 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
Hey all, I did my best to combine the two pics that were linked in this thread.

Anyway, how do I make a Jove BS spawn?

I've read a few pages back, but I haven't found the secret to making a Jove BS spawn. I'm on Sisi with my gang, and have been for a couple hours, lurking at an Unidentified Structure. Killed maybe four sets of waves + reinforcements, but no Jove BS.

Sleeper exploration sites in known space might spawn them, "final room" I think. Getting to the end of those is going to take a team. Good luck.

Well ****. I lurked at an unidentified object for... 12 hours today, while I did other things on the computer. Welp.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#492 - 2015-01-31 09:32:37 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.

Models are looking short. Jovians are about 4 feet tall. Also with cloths, without body hairs it will be hard to tell woman/man.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Kharnakh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#493 - 2015-01-31 16:28:43 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.

Models are looking short. Jovians are about 4 feet tall.


Hold on, is this true? The Jovian master race is a load of hobbits? :disappointment:
Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#494 - 2015-01-31 16:35:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.


Actually, knowing that their weapons are Lux Kontos, or as the game categorizes them, 'Energy Weapons', this is further evidence that they ARE Jovians.

The Jovians famously had energy weapons, particularly a Mothership-sized one, that made Amarrian lasers look like cat toys.

I'm willing to bet that that weapon was Lux Kontos too.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#495 - 2015-01-31 16:48:31 UTC
Kharnakh wrote:

Hold on, is this true? The Jovian master race is a load of hobbits? :disappointment:

Height has nothing to do with brain potential. It's adaptation to natural conditions, maybe they didn't need it.
Green Lantern corp guardians were short, most of D&D elves are shorter than human race. Remeber small gun in Men in Black?
They are looking scary, inhuman. In dark alley i would shoot first ask later.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#496 - 2015-01-31 17:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Hmmm - further evidence that these are not Jovians.

Models are looking short. Jovians are about 4 feet tall. Also with cloths, without body hairs it will be hard to tell woman/man.

Well that's the old description at least- you're getting that one from the Jovian wet grave, right?

The "modern" one is in the short story "Theodicy" on the community website and in Templar One- they're relatively not-tall (Grious is ~5'11"), have extremely pale skin that looks and feels like wet glass, and have black veins going back from their eyes, which are pitch-black all around.

The "modern" image of the Jovians that appeared on-screen at Fanfest 2012 and in EVE: Source reflects that image completely.

But they still don't have any hair P
Asura Vajrarupa
Doomheim
#497 - 2015-01-31 17:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Asura Vajrarupa
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:


The Jovians it was said were difficult to determine gender because of their genetic engineering but here we see more clear gender manifestation.

But this would support the notion that this is a return of another related race and considering the history of the ship as well, being ancient but put into service, these are the bodies of a race that might have been Jovian once.


The plot thickens


The Jovians had several empires, which covered several epochs of genetic modification. The Jovians we know now being the latest and possibly last iteration. These could be Jovians from an earlier epoch, an epoch which the current Jovians wished to separate themselves from. If that is the case then these are definitely Jovians, and they are definitely dangerous.

Ignorance is the cause of suffering.

Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#498 - 2015-01-31 17:57:37 UTC
I'm intrigued about those Lux Kontos. My theory is that they are similar to our turrets, excepting they're held in place by magnetic and/or gravitic fields. Probably they're stored inside the vessel while not in use or warping, and go out and get in position when needed. About the weapons themselves, they probably are some kind of laser, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were particle beams or even electric arc projectors.

About the "sorrowful brother"... My theory is that due to the continuous attacks on their facilities, Sleepers want to come back to the Jove Empire. However, they're seen as desertors, or are looked at with jealous eyes (due to not suffering the Jove disease), or maybe their brethen are not longer there (Sansha invasions?)...

I also wonder if the whole capsuleer experiment did work as expected for the Jove. Did they predict we would try to be independent, and even attack the Sleepers? Are we their way of dealing with the Sleepers?

I really hope too the Jove finally come back and they're not simply another red cross to shoot at. Faction Warfare, standings... come to mind. I'd love to fight at their side, or help them defend themselves or migrate. And even better, be Jove. That means, Jove characters.

Allant Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#499 - 2015-01-31 18:04:30 UTC
Komodo brings up an interesting point;


Lux Kontos are hovering above the hull of the BS, not directly connected to it.

Does this mean that All turrets can glide and fire from literally anywhere on the surface of the ship? Allowng for full, perfectly-angular return fire?

No turret would ever be redundant, no matter the firing trajectory.
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#500 - 2015-01-31 21:11:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Komodo Askold
Allant Doran wrote:
Komodo brings up an interesting point;

Lux Kontos are hovering above the hull of the BS, not directly connected to it.

Does this mean that All turrets can glide and fire from literally anywhere on the surface of the ship? Allowng for full, perfectly-angular return fire?

No turret would ever be redundant, no matter the firing trajectory.
If that's the case, they don't need multiple stances of the same turret or launcher spred over the ship to cover all angles; instead, the turret moves along the hull to keep line of sight to the target. Gameplay-wise it doesn't seem like a big advantage, but it might be from an in-character point of view, as it requires less redundancy.

I wonder if they have other properties. Maybe they can be left behind, so that they start to work as sentry drones? That makes me wonder if they have their own internal power source (as sentries do) or they're fed by the ship via wireless electric power.