EVE General Discussion

Not to mention a whine thread is usually open
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=395372&find=unread

Even if I edit this post it still comes out as what seems to be a random post pulled from somewhere else on the forums and doesn't match what is in the message of the post that was typed.... kinda puzzled here:

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Ok, now its working, so this is just a duplicate/broken forum post.

Yes, it does. Objectively so.


The ganker isn't the one leaving the ships out.


Right. This lasts for the duration of CONCORD shooting the criminal, not for the duration of the GCC flag.


CONCORD doesn't follow criminal pods around. Why should they? Pods are harmless. If they weren't, CONCORD would destroy them too.

I don't see the logic in allowing one guy with 8 catalysts gank a freighter worth far more than his catalysts are worth. How is this avoidable if the pilot were at the keyboard? He has a parner/alt bumping the freighter off, and if the freighter logs off he is dead. You cannot warp off due to the bumping and iirc you cannot safe log because you now have an aggression timer. So if a pilot absolutely wants to kill your freighter for a pittance compared to the ship, there is nothing stopping him? He just has to throw more ships at it.

This is a bad decision.

True, but at the same time, it's not entirely easy moving around highsec when you've got a bunch of people that want to shoot you (try going suspect and see what happens). Fact is this does leave them open to punitive action if you actually want to put in the effort to do it, because even if they decide to only use their capsules/shuttles/instawarping interceptors to move around, eventually they're going to have to board that gank ship, and those ships are fit to kill things, not to enter warp quickly. Sure, they can do it relatively quickly but if you're fast enough, you could still catch one and blow it up (since they're also not fit for tank). Even with their larger Catalyst fleets, I'm not entirely sure why you couldn't have an alt with combat scan probes out near where they're going to be operating so you can instantly get a fix on them and have a smartbombing battleship set up to warp in on them and go blow them all up (might be stupid, but just something that poped in my head of "how do you deal with a bunch of non-tanky ships all grouped together?), or even play the long game and just make note of where their safespots and instaundocks are in their favorite ganking systems and lay a trap for them. Sure it takes effort to do it, but if you want to fight other players you're going to have to put some sort of effort in to it. It's not like fighting NPCs or anything like that where everything is set in stone and defined for you; you're fighting real, thinking people that don't want to get caught by you and thus you're going to have to figure out how to catch them. It can be done - you've just got to try hard enough.



There are plenty of non-intended mechanics. That doesn't mean they're bad, and entire playstyles have come out of them - living in W-space, for example, was never intended. One great unintended mechanic you might want to look at is webbing your freighter in to warp; it can make it almost impossible to actually bump, and unless you've actually done something to really make it worth the effort, most ganking groups are not going to bother chasing you, they'll just go for the guy after you that's autopiloting.



Several different ways; one thing is that actually keeping you bumped is a bit more difficult (assuming they're actually doing it and not having banked on your autopilot shutting down when they scrammed you, which does happen), and thus they may wind up having to bump you towards something you can warp to, thus allowing you to warp to it. They've now got to chase you, rebump you, pick up their remaining catalysts, warp that ship to you, and then set the whole thing up again and hope they don't bump you in a way that you can warp out again; which again is difficult at the best of times, and likely moreso when they have to keep you near their Catalysts (as the instant they board one CONCORD will immediately begin moving to blow up their ship again and thus every second getting in range of your freighter is wasted time).

Additionally if you have an alt webbing you - something that's very much recommended nowadays, particularly if you're going to be flying ships around whose hulls alone are worth more than a billion ISK (imagine a dude complaining that they shouldn't have to have a cyno character on another account to move their carrier around; those cost about as much as a freighter nowadays) - it's not a long train to put them in to a Catalyst, and then you can simply board the catalysts and steal them by warping them to a station, docking up, warping back and stealing more, or just simply sacrifice the webbing ship by setting safeties red, webbing the nearest illegal target, getting CONCORDED, and then board every Catalyst as quickly as the game allows you to and have them all the blown up too. Or have the webber capable of targeting several ships at once and just lock all the Catalysts, which means they can't be boarded or scooped up, essentially rendering them worthless. Assuming they actually catch you when you have a webbing alt - I've had my freighter just about do a 180 degree warp with a pair of meta 4 webs from a Cruor; unless you managed to get insanely lucky with the placement of your Machariel and are right on top of it/can immediately bump it, you're not going to catch it. And assuming you jump in to a bumping trap; before I undock my freighter I hit up Dotlan and plug in my intended route to see if there's anything that looks like freighter ganking has been going on, and then take a look at any systems that seem suspicious. If there's a problem, I can either avoid it or not take the trip. Add the radar feature on top of that, liberal use of safespots and scouting, and hauling in highsec is stupid safe to do.

In all justice, the first part of the first sentence is spot on.

Also can anyone point out a hyperdunked freighter killmail where the freighter has any modules that might even slightly help it to escape? WCS? Istab?

Shouldn't the web alt show up on the list of aggressing ships?

If the webbing alt was present, there wouldn't be a killmail!

There you go then. In any combat situation, there is no reason for a solo freighter pilot to have any expectation of doing anything except dying. Freighters should travel in groups with escorts, or risk being ganked.