EVE New Citizens Q&A

Isn't the rokh worth it:


It depends...


A. Are you already set for going the Gallente route? No it isn't.

B. Are you just want to try something else and see if you like it? Perhaps.

C. Do you like ot snipe and be at such a range that rats can't touch you? Yes it's worth it.


As with most stuff in EVE...it's a fine mixture of personal preference, personal taste and game mechanics.

p.s. there are plenty of non-gate missions where you don't have to collect stuff.

And even with gated missions, if you do some clever piloting, you can easily match your last MJD cycle to get you to the gate.

....S.... seri...seriously...? You dont think there are other things to care about? Like survivng?

Given the two options to a new player, of :
1. Maximum DPS, but higher risk of losing your ship, and the need to possibly dock up twice, three times during each mission in order to recoup the cap and repair, and
2. Decent DPS, very low risk of losing your ship, almost non-existant need of docking up at all except after your mission is finished,
do you seriously think that all noobs are gonna say "Yup, DPS is all i care about, i dont care how many times i have to dock up, i dont care about losing my ship,



Do you know what i said in response to your "I dont use MWD"? Here, let me copy and paste it.

"So... youre gonna slowboat at 150 m/s? Or 400 m/s with Afterburners? Seriously? Keep in mind that the OP said she doesnt have very good drone skills right now, and that a majority of the frigs in L4s use web. "

Yeah, youre still the one who needs to lrn2 read.

Also, lol@ slowboating at 150ms against webbing frigates, while using railguns.



No, it doesnt. Wanna know how anyone else who read my post, would know this? Heres a big hint: I said so. I typed it out. I specifically wrote "Its not the best". I even wrote "its not better".

This is why you need to lrn2 read.




Mega? I thought you dont fit Blasters?

Uhm.

Can't apply DPS when you are death...

A ship that survives and applies 1 DPS, will still outclasa a 1000 DPS ship that dies in a second.


And, you do know that some people run missions for fun.

Hell, last time I ran L4 missions, I used my Blarpy.

Was it efficient? HELL NO.
Was it easy? No, but that was intended. If I want easy mode, I would have picked a missile ship.

Was it fun? Hell yeah, not only did I completed the mission eventually. It was a nice challange.

Did I make much money? Nope, but I did achieve a very high fun/hour income doing it.

Would I do if for ISK / advice new player to do it for ISK income? Nope
Would I do it again for fun / advice new players to "think outside the box" and have fun doing something slightly challanging? Yeah.

No, the whole Rokh is a decent L4 ship is based on "Perhaps the OP doesnt like having an increase in risk of losing her ship or having to dock up every 5 minutes because of lack of cap just for a somewhat minor amount of DPS increase at decreased range".

Yeah, i know. Utterly unthinkable. Why would someone ever want to take the safe route?

Hey!

That's my move!

EDIT: added proof

First with an MJD and a AB you are eating 2 slots for prop mods which I would say is less than ideal. Second if you draw an imaginary line perpendicular to the line that goes from gate to gate in a mission pocket at a point roughly half way then jump to a point on that who's hypotenuse would be about 100km then you can jump out kill everything and then jump to the next gate. Makes for very fast travel.

Additionally with T2 ammo your dps would not be as low as you make it seem. Not to mention that if the mega is going to be close enough to use antimatter it will need to fit a good tank as it is taking the brunt of the dps where the sniping Rokh is taking almost none. not to mention the fact that with 2 tracking computers the Rokh can get anti matter out to 70 + 49 or 71 + 51 with faction.


First thing OP said was "I was looking at the level 4 mission ships as well as into Incursion ships and I was hoping someone could help me." Caldari BS gets him access to the Nightmare which is an awesome incursion ship and the Rattlesanke which is an awesome level 4 mission ship. Not sure where you think 6 days of caldari BS is going to ruin his life?

Here's what the OP said:

the "tl;dr" means this is what he is really looking to get answered when you cut to the chase. Many of us have shown him how the Rokh is not just a white elephant.

There are no DPS meters in this game the only way you can say things like "more dps" is when you are talking paper dps. In this game to compare apples to apples we use things like bounty ticks or mission completion times but even given that I did not get the impression from him looking for it to be more than "just a white elephant" that he was looking to min / max. The min / maxing will come later when he gets into incursions at which point in time Galentte and Caldari BS help to open access for him to the: Vindi, Nightmare and Machariel which are some of the best most in demand incursion ships around.

So I am guessing that your strategy here is to keep saying more and more ridiculous stuff until we get tired of correcting you and then you can claim victory?

Thats a brilliant strategy.

While this may technically be true you can't fly a logi in an incursion fleet without really high skills and there is no inbetween point and some of those skills don't cross over to anything else.

you can get into incusrions with meta 4 mods and switch to faction and not miss a best as well as run missions with the same skill plan in the mean time if you go the BS route.

For a new player to drop everything that he is doing to train: shield tranz, cap tranz, armor tranz, logi, cruiser 5, rep drones, link skills and fitting skills for tech II high slot mods is a bit much to ask. That is an alt thing or a year down the road thing.

Hey guys.

Sorry to have taken so long to respond, and I am sorry that my thread seems to have made tensions run high. Both points of view helped me to learn, and think of things that I never considered at all.

On the one hand I was looking for a simple, easy to use starting point from where I can learn more about level 4 missions, gunnery, tanking, resists and the actual ability to hit things.

And finally I was also looking for more information on what comes after. I want to experience many different ships and playstyles (Rokh vs Megathron is the perfect example).

I would like to start with a simple, easy to fly ship and from there improve, get better and eventually when ISK, skill points and experience allows go on to bigger things.

ISK/Hour is a minor consideration for me at this point in time, eventually I would want to be in a situation where I am able to use the right tool, for the right job.

Once again thank you for everyone's input. I value both 'sides' to the argument because both of them has helped me learn more about the differences between factions and ships. And both sides have answered my questions (and even questions that I never thought of asking, but what I needed to know) in their own different ways!

So now let us please move the Player vs Player from the forums to ingame!