EVE New Citizens Q&A

Seriously man, youve lost. Youve proven you cant read. Youve proven you cant think. Just move on. Its over.

MJD is a very effective tool for mission boats. It's not the ideal tool for every situation or every play style but it can be very helpful in a lot of play styles.

With the optimal bonus and the eventual ability to use T2 ammo I have a hard time accepting the argument that sniping in general is a bad tactic for a level 4 mission boat. When NPCs are burning strait at you bringing their transversal to nearly zero you get good solid hits for good damage. If you manage your spawns properly you can make very effective use of using most of the range to one shot frigs and cruisers that are coming strait at you and hitting the BSs when they are at a range where you do more damage. Also with the lower need for tank at range you can fit more damage and tracking mods.

None of the gunnery nor support skills needed for flying a Rokh would go to waste really only the Caldari BS skills and if he only trains that to 3 or 4 that is just not that much time and it's only a waste if he never again fly a Caldari BS or any pirate faction that uses Caldari BS at any point for any other reason. I mean the Nightmare and Rattlesnake each on their own is enough of a reason to train Caldari BS.

I believe the OP already stated he was probably going to work towards a Domi for now and I'm not arguing that the Rokh would make a great level 4 ship. All that I am saying is that in WoW you can go to a website and find out what the best toon for a given role is or the best spec for you class or the best gear for your toon or read up or watch videos on the strats for various bosses. This is Eve. There is not one way to do anything. The only real way to know anything is through experience and means doing or trial and error or better worded trial and refinement.

So that being said if the OP wants to use a Rokh in level 4 missions then in the process he would learn a lot about gunnery, a lot about sniping and when he did try a different ship he would then know: how, why and if it was better and be a better more experienced player than if he just came on here and was told that the domi was best and flew it and never flew anything else.

This is a video game. It's whole point is to waste time. Well waste time and have fun. If you really hate PvE so much that you are trying to trim off any extra second of time doing it then why not just work an hour or two of overtime at work or get a second part time job and then buy a PLEX? I mean if PvE is a job for you then might as well just work IRL and use money to buy isk and then have money left over.

As long as the OP is having fun then he's doing it right. If he learns how to better play the game in the process all the better.

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I like cats.

The point is that you didn't understand it in the first place while being pretty much basic understanding which is kinda telling. Then we get to your first reply on the matter which started it all off.


sounds to me you're trying to claim the Rokh is better



Sounds to me like you're saying the Rokh is better because who needs tracking and rails don't work at normal, non range bonused ranges. You're also kinda forgetting the Mega, just saying

Mega has 7 with a dps bonus, making it 8.75. Sounds to me like you don't know your ships very well

Yes it is, it's worse. But if you WANT to "snipe" then it's of course fine, but the OP never stated that

there's your first decent point, so far your only one in that whole post. But it's not really that much of an issue, low SP have been doing FINE running missions without the MJD Rokh, you know.




So yes, you ARE disputing my assessment that it's not as good and just isn't worth it. An assessment that seems to be backed by the majority of people (given how it's not used very much), not saying "people" always have it right of course. You're of course fine to go "yes but I like it anyway because I like the tactic" and then I'd agree with you, but that's not what you did. You mixed up "I like this tactic" with "this tactic is best".

I don't see why anyone needs to min/max level 4's. They aren't exactly difficult. I wasn't trying to make an ideal fit. I was trying to make something that works with minimal effort and skills in the given ship. I've heard from many people that they like MJD's as a low sp alternative to good tanking skills, and the rokh is already a rail monster. I don't see why you wouldn't want to use those in a fit. Obviously you can look up the damage types and fit resists/drones against the damage type, but I don't even really see the need for doing that on a mjd fit ship.

Instead of relying on what it "sounds" like(To you), why dont you rely on what i actually said. If i didnt know any better, id say this was a comedy sketch.

"The rokh isnt better or worse" -me
"How dare you say that the rokh is better!!!" -you
"wtf is wrong with you" -me
"sorry my gf ran away with the rokh which is why i hate any mention of it :(" -you



Since we were talking about damage output and the inherent damage bonus, this literally changes nothing, since the hyperion gets a 50% bonus, making it a 9. And thats kind of the point. If all you care about is dps, might as well go for the hyperion.



Do you know what the OP did state? She had poor drone skills, and didnt want to train up because it would delay her from getting into L4s for 2 weeks.

Do you know whats great when you lack drone skills? Sniping.

Do you know what utterly sucks and will not be able to hit a frigate orbiting 10km away? Large blasters.



Right, i guess we can ignore the whole "Its decent" and the "Its not better or worse" part that you ignored up until now in favor of "Stop defending the rokh as something that is better!!!!1111" accusation you threw at me for no apparent reason other than it appeared in your own fantasy.

And lets also ignore all the facts that i listed above about how an MJD Rokh makes it easier to do L4 missions. Yup. New players can run missions fine with your MWD Megathron. All they need to do is waste time flying 50km away from the battleships with their MWD, and keep docking up to replenish cap, and repair their ship every 5 minutes during their missions. They can run it perfectly fine.



Of course i am. Im disputing your utterly baseless claim that its not as good and just isnt worth it. A dispute that seems to be backed by the majority of people on this forum topic(not saying that we are never wrong, of course, but itll take evidence and valid, reasoned arguments, not "because i said so and heres my flawed arguments" to prove us wrong).

Does this mean that im claiming that its the best? Of course not. Heres a logic 101 course for you, the fact that something is good, doesnt mean its the best. And i believe this is something i wrote down, too.

Infact, let me quote myself a page ago.

"Is the Rokh the best ever L4 mission runner, hands down? Of course not. Marauders, faction ships do much better, which is why they cost a lot more. Is it a good mission ship, that uses Large hybrid weapons and can safely run L4s in a decent amount of time and is new player friendly? Absolutely. Is it necessarily better than a hyperion or Megathron? No, each one has their pros and cons."

Wow, that sounds like eve. You know, the whole "Which ship is better at PVP, the Hawk or the Harpy?" questions, and the answers being "They have their pros and cons, neither one is necessarily better, and theyre certainly not the best".

So again, in conclusion, lrn2 read. Never said it was the best. Said that it wasnt the best. Yet you accuse me of claiming that it was the best.

Yeah, the reasons being, low skillpoints in tank and drones and low cap management skills, for people who want to use hybrids.

The rokh excells at:
-Taking the least amount of damage and keeping the risk of losing your ship to its bare minimum. Yes, some noobs put this above maximizing Isk output, because they arent rich enough to be able to replace their megathrons every time they lose one.
-Shooting frigs and killing them in 2-3 shots, easily, therefore allowing the player to have minimal, and even non-existant drone skills
-Using the utter least amount of cap, and keeping your ship on grid for the longest time without having to waste time flying back and forth from station to mission field because of lack of cap and the inability to use armor reps/prop mods thanks to it.

These are real concerns for new players, and they certainly were concerns for me. I didnt want to have to keep going back to station to replenish my cap boosters and drones. I didnt want to have to fret every time a gang of frigs with warp disruptors kept locking on to me while my cap was running low.



The problem is, no one, no one, no one, NO ONE is claiming that the Rokh is the best and most optimized ship for L4s, ever.

Does this mean that the rokh is utter sh*t and shouldnt be considered? Of course not. The fact that something is good, doesnt mean its the best. But the flipside is true, as well. Just because the Rokh isnt the best, doesnt mean its not good.

The fact of the matter is, if you want a ship that has good resists, good range, decent damage, and a method of running L4s while minimizing risk of losing your ship, while being a low skilled new player who doesnt have good skills in drones, doesnt have good skills in tanks, doesnt have good cap management skills, then the rokh is a good ship for you.

Is the Rokh useful. Yes it is, but it does depend what you use as a baseline as well as personal preference.

Also, it's also cause 99% of the mission runners tend to go with the cookie cutter setup everybody else and their dog uses.

There is no need to be a lemming in EVE. In the end, as stated before...look at your Fun/hour..that's the only true and useful parameter you want to maximize.

If you can achieve more fun per hour over less ISK per hour...go for it.