Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Just because it can be difficult does not make it impossible. Do you understand? Bring friends to help you kill the ships the fighters are assigned to. If you force the carrier back into the FF, fighters revert back to carrier's control, and warp back to carrier where they can't do anything from inside the FF. If you make the carrier jump out, we call that a victory.

Of course, you could always do what I did, and learn how to avoid situations where I'm going to end up being shot at by assigned drones.

Fighter are a weapon system just like drones on every other ships but for some reason they can be used while the controlling ship is off-grid. No other weapon can do that even the one not effectively attached to a ship like every other drone and this is why carrier should be brought back in place and limited to activate their weapon system, in this case fighter, only on their local grid.

I've ganked many carriers sitting off a tower with its fighters assigned.

Balancing something around the fact there are idiots getting caught failing at it is kinda stupid. If the carrier had played his cards right, you would not of gotten those kills.

What about bombs? Launched bombs can do damage to ships after the bomber has left grid and is no longer a valid target.

What about smartbombs? They can damage ships before they've exited warp and can target the smartbombing ship.

What about Interdictors? They can drop a bubble and leave grid and not be valid targets to ships caught in their bubbles.


There's all kind of precedent for ships being able to damage or otherwise interact with ships while off-grid. Heck, in the case of Interdictors, they can do it from an entirely different solar system. Admittedly, carriers have a much easier time of it, but simply saying that no other ships can interact with other ships while off-grid isn't a valid reason to support a change to carrier fighter mechanics in my view.

EDIT: Something to keep in mind is that in assigning fighters from a relatively safe off-grid position, a carrier is giving up a lot of it's benefit.

1. It cannot rep friendlies on the field.
2. Friendlies on the field cannot use it to refit.
3. Against most subcaps, sentries coupled with range will be far more effective than fighters. (a la Slowcats)
4. By keeping your carrier off-grid and assigning fighters to other fleet members, you are forcing your fleet to be larger than a similar on-grid fleet would be. (i.e. you need more support)

So, not only is the carrier not unique in it's ability to damage ships from off-grid (although I will grant you that it is uniquely good at it), it gives up many of it's other benefits in order to do so.

right they should all have tracking all be fit to high slots all take cap and all do at least two types of damage sounds fun

Using a full set of damage mods you get the same DPS(worse aplication) of on AF with no utility no intelligent pilot and for almost 2x the cost. and yes there is risk those fighters are not cheap.



the only problem with the fighters is how it can be done on a tower or right next to a station

First off to be blunt quite a lot of people including people posting in this thread are NOT (even if you think you are) up to date on some of the latest practises involved in using carriers/supers - quite a few things people are suggesting might have worked a few months back with previous patches but are not feasible or don't work any more or are just different with more recent releases.

The most simple and effective balancing mechanism IMO is to give fighters titan style damage scaling (but with a smaller optimal sig) which would go a long way to balancing the most broken aspects of assigned fighters while having minimal impact on their usage in more legit or unrelated situations. If done correctly it would massively impact on their ability to do huge damage to smaller ships when deployed with the "skynet" fit but have no impact on their ability against larger ships where the sig portion of the tracking formula would be satisfied, it would have minimal impact on their use against smaller targets in combat and other non-"skynet" fits but your struggling with the tracking side of the formula there anyway and the sig unbalance has minimal additional penalty (it would have some but fighters shouldn't really be uber effective against small targets anyway) and have no impact on application against larger targets - by which I'm probably talking atleast BS and upwards and probably larger sig BCs and cruisers not just limiting them to capital/structure use.

I would also suggest some kind of system (though a bit arbitrary) to prevent fighters being deployed from a carrier that is inside the normal FF radius whether the FF is up or down - there are reasons for this - I know you can't (normally) have fighters deployed while inside an active FF.

I'm pretty sure that fighters can be shot. At least, last I checked, they were lockable and killable.