EVE New Citizens Q&A

- relying on a 3 minute gimmick as your main tactic means you're wasting time because the chances of MJD being ready at the exact moment that you need it is fairly low. So the tactic in itself is slow and wasteful, especially because not relying on it means you will probably get to gates and mission items quicker. The tactic also forces a lot of range ammo use, which lowers dps and thus wastes time (hence my "lol range and damage" remark)

- whether or not the Nmega is out of reach price wise, for now, is not the point. The POINT is "why bother with a caldari turret ship if it's a dead end as they're no upgraded versions of it and you'll want to switch to Gallente anyway due to Nmega and Kronos". This is not difficult to understand logic

- the ranges and numbers you quote seem to suggest that you don't fit your ships correctly



There is no reason to use a Rokh for lvl 4 other than "I want to use one because cool" or "I want to sit at massive ranges from everything (because I'm scared of getting in closer) and pewpew stuff with Lead ammo doing super low dps"

Sorry J'Poll. The forums are having that glitch where its only letting me click "Like" on your post once.

OP, While there are "better" options, the Rokh is more than sufficient for completing level 4 missions. I do recommend a microjump drive however. Something like this would probably work. It only regens 150 ehp per second, but the microjumpdrive means that you will be able to easily move to ranges where most stuff isn't damaging you. Also in missions tracking isn't a huge deal as the rats aren't all that fast. Just make sure you're shooting at 75-100km and you should be able to hit them fine. Finally, change the light drones to whatever damage type you need against the rats. You could also run mediums if you want.

The fit requires Advanced Weapon Upgrades 4 and Shield Upgrades 4, or AWU3 with a 2% powergrid implant. The second fit works easily with AWU 3 and Shield upgrades 3, but I really recommend trying to get t2 tank early on.
[Rokh, PVE level 4]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Recharger II

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

Acolyte II x5
Warrior II x5

[Rokh, PVE level 4]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shield Recharger I

425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

Acolyte II x5
Warrior II x5

Wow. So many things wrong with your post, i dont know where to start.



Right, because new players can always minimize time by blitzing through missions with perfect accuracy. They have no problems tanking. No problems dealing with the webbing frigs, and even sometimes warp disrupting NPCs. Infact, why bother having any skills at all, cause we all know a poorly skilled new character can be just as efficient and do all the same things as a well skilled vet character.

Wait a minute, how does reality work again?

Oh, and even the fastest battleships going at 300 m/s only travel about 50 km in 3 minutes, so you really dont have to rely on a "3 minute gimmick", and you dont need to have it ready at the exact moment. Infact, the only moment you need it, is at the beginning. Infact, even in my early days, the only times i needed to use the MJD was at the beginning and the end. I would jump 100km off, then jump 100km back to my starting position. Thats it. No time wasted, made it a helluva lot easier to run L4s even with my inexperience and lower skills.



Since the ranged ammo that lowers DPS is only used against frigs, and by the time frigs are dead the battleships are well within range of the highest DPS ammo, your "Lol range and damage" claim is debunked. I remember mentioning this in my last post, but i guess with how you condensed my post into simply "Stuff", you didnt bother reading it.

You need better reading comprehension skills.



Would you like me to quote what the original poster of this thread, said?

"Now if you ignore that the Rokh is basically a deadend if you consider progression (from Hyperion I can upgrade to Kronos ultimately)"

Whats that? Again?

"Now if you ignore that the Rokh is basically a deadend if you consider progression (from Hyperion I can upgrade to Kronos ultimately)"

So, to recap, the original poster understands this point, and isnt asking for that. I understood this point, and wasnt discussing it, and tried to bring it back to the original posters by pointing out how a new player would go through things. You, on the other hand, didnt understand it, and therefore kept going back to it.

I guess thats another thing you failed to read. Or comprehend. Either way, again, please actually read the comments instead of ignoring them all and posting your own drivel. Itll prevent you from making mistakes in the future.



Feel free to enlighten me. Feel free to prove me wrong. Go ahead, ill be waiting.


And yet, all your arguments have been shot down.

You first mentioned how a Rokh doesnt get tracking bonuses, which was debunked.(No need if done right, etc)

Then you mentioned how it lacks base DPS. Debunked.(8 slots vs 6 slot hype/mega)

Then you mentioned how its gonna have fitting issues with MJD and tracking because of its sheild tank. Debunked.(lowslot tracking enhancers, out of range of enemies therefore getting very little damage, etc)

Then you suddenly switched form Mega to Mega Navy issue from the "lacks base DPS" section of the discussion, which makes no sense, because the original poster realizes this and is asking for us to ignore this progression, and a mega is gonna lack DPS compared to a mega navy issue too.

And now, the "LOL range LOL damage" thing was debunked, too, although youve seemed to have yet to read how it was debunked.

So good job. Youve been demonstrated to be wrong on every point. So please, keep telling us how bad a Rokh is for mission running.


Dont worry though, i wholeheartedly expect you to condense my entire post into "Stuff", ignore it all, and keep repeating how the rokh is such a bad ship.

May I ask why you are forcing the OP to go Gallente, he might not want to upgrade and will be happy in the Rokh as an "end" ship.

You don't have to bling it
the chance of using 100km MJD to get to specific targets is low, especially with its 3 min recharge
as stated earlier "Rokh is cool" is a valid reason, but someone saying "look at this fit, it's great" while having a ******** omnitank and silly tactic is not helping any newbie who reads this thread.

The OP is ASKING whether or not the Rokh is a valid replacement.

*snip* ~ ISD Decoy




And it's not good compared to other options, for all the reasons mentioned. If you want to MJD around wasting time then that's fine, but don't tell others it's a good tactic.

What you're proposing is no different from the super tanked, cap stable lol crap Raven fits.

So, basically.

Only your way is good.

Yeah, that's truely how EVE is (NOT), and that is truely helping new player (NOT).

Let anybody play the way they like, I dislike your idea, just cause with all that knowledge, it shows how much of a min/max carebear you are. While the true fact is, as long as you have fun, you are doing it right.

If that isn't the most effective way, who, other then obviously YOU, cares.

You should ask that in the mirror first, before you start spouting off your nonsensical drivel to me.

OP is not asking whether the rokh is a valid replacement. She is asking whether the Rokh is a GOOD PVE SHIP. She doesnt even have a battleship yet, nor the skills to fly gallente battleship(She seems to have gone Caldari, judging by how she has Caldari Target management certificate to 3). There is literally nothing she is replacing.

Shes basically saying "Ive almost got the skills to fly a Rokh, but I dont know whether its a good PVE ship. So, how is the Rokh, as a L4 PVE ship?" Notice the utter lack of the word "replace".




And if you want to MWD around wasting time and cap and dying frequently to rats, then thats your prerogative. I finally understand why you would need so much tracking. It sure is hard to hit rats circling 10km away with a large railgun, after all.(LOL)

But considering how i shot down all your "Reasons" and debunked them thoroughly, and seeing as how you stopped responding to them, maybe you should take my advice and stop posting. You lost, the moment you became unable to respond to my counter-arguments. Its time to admit you were wrong and move on.





Yeah, shame on noobs with poor cap management skills and lack of experience for going the easy road. If only they could all fly like you did, losing dozens of battleships and buying plex to cover their losses.

Is the Rokh the best ever L4 mission runner, hands down? Of course not. Marauders, faction ships do much better, which is why they cost a lot more. Is it a good mission ship, that uses Large hybrid weapons and can safely run L4s in a decent amount of time and is new player friendly? Absolutely. Is it necessarily better than a hyperion or Megathron? No, each one has their pros and cons.

Which the OP hasn't confirmed to be his preference.



p.s. I'm Dutch like you, figured you'd have realised that by now :)

- before MJD newbies didn't lose ships at that rate, at all, not even slightly. So, really, it's more about you going "I like range" rather than it being necessary or even recommended from a game mechanics pov. Nothing wrong with that as such but then don't defend it as being better, it's not, and simply state that you just enjoy it that way

- because you didn't know about damage types you figured it would be a good plan to tell other newbies that Omni tanking is fantastic by fitting 2 invuls on your linked fit, instead of showing them how it's done. If they have questions on that they'll be asked. In your case; drop the 2 invuls, swap to kinetic (assuming Guristas) give you about the same tank, allowing for a TC meaning you can use higher dps ammo at the same range.

- who said anything about MWD?


Keeping it simple, to a degree, for newbies makes good sense. Treating them like brain dead morons who can't click a button or read 2 paragraphs of text does not make good sense and is completely unnecessary.