EVE General Discussion

“Solved” implies there's a problem. Since there isn't one, it'll just create problems.

Nope. Reality is once again in complete conflict with your hallucinations.

First off, this thread keeps referring to them leaving grid... and they don't actually have to leave grid to pull this off, they just leave some shuttles far enough away to cause Concord to have to warp, thereby buying themselves a max response time from Concord. And from what I have been able to gather, there was stated somewhere a list of acceptable ways to manipulate Concord:

"a. Suicide gank. CONCORD is spawned because Player A attacks Player B without the rights to do so.
b. Defensive spawning. CONCORD is spawned because Player A's alt character attacks Player A without the rights to do so."

But neither of these situations cover the criminal pilot warping off in a pod and getting into a ship elsewhere (same grid or at another station etc). So maybe the rules for what is allowed in terms of manipulating Concord should be revised? Because in "Hyperdunking" they are moving Concord away from the site of criminal action without the use of illegal aggression. Therein allowing them to warp back to the gank site and re-ship next to their target, taking no additional security penalty for continued aggression and a freshly restarted timer.

Yes, I know, everyone who is doing this keeps saying "But I'm criminal, you can shoot me"... yes, but, I have to find you first, then I have to get there before you finish the gank, and then I have to lock you and either blow you up or jam you before you kill your target or hit me instead. And with this new 'feature' of being able to re-ship infinitely you can just shoot me until you kill me (re-shipping after each attempt) and then you can go back to shooting your original target. Even if I tanked you indefinitely, you would just wait for me to get bored of waiting and leave and then continue the hit.

Further, if the ganker does this right, there is no actual chance to steal the replacement ships before they get into them or their Concord moving shuttles. If they do it right. But most don't from what I have seen, though the ones that don't do this 100% safely for them still usually have a spare gank pilot in a cata sitting around ready to counter gank anyone that tries to either steal their empty catas or shuttle.

Even further, with the ability to lock people out of boarding a ship that isn't theirs all they have to do is target it, so the spare gank pilot and orca pilots just have to keep a lock on their shuttles/spare catas to keep passby's or white knights from flying off with them.

As a final point, to be quite honest, nearly everyone I've seen doing this is already -10 anyways, so that further nullifies the "omg I can't do anything cause my sec status is so low" argument that -10 pilots always seem to make, yeah its so dangerous and so inconvenient you can kill any target you want anywhere you want.

But really though, the people that are doing this haven't quite realized the full potential of this. You can clear an entire system of miners in one go with this, just fill a bowhead with cata's and have it warp to the next victim as soon as you start on the current one. If you failed to kill the guy in the first pass just have the bowhead warp back and hit him again. Yeah, done correctly this requires 4 pilots if using just 1 gank ship, but that doesn't make it legit just because they have to multibox 4 accounts that may or may not belong to them (account sharing anyone?).

con·se·quence
\ˈkän(t)-sə-ˌkwen(t)s, -kwən(t)s\noun

: something that happens as a result of a particular action or set of conditions

That's hardly realistic, now is it?
And what's wrong with the current implementation? The old CONCORD clouds just caused silly amounts of lag for no real benefit.

This is effectively already the case. That's why strategies such as this (and bumping) have had to be invented. So what's this whole “should” thing about? Why “should” it be any other way than how it is right now?

I kept waving donuts but Concord didn't respond. As a consequence, I've had to eat them all myself...

More than that, why would they do anything about something that does not need any kind of fixing, on either the front or the back end?

What's “trolling” about working within the established mechanics in order to do something those mechanics are explicitly set up to allow?

The current CONCORD mechanics are very simple: unlawful aggression means you lose your current ship after 2–30 seconds (depending on the system and CONCORD placement). That's really all there is to it.

Because there's no need to, since scrams and points already exist.

That does not follow, no, since blowing up the ship is the entire purpose of CONCORD.

Yes, catching pods is hard. This is by design.

The purpose of CONCORD is to remove an active threat, which is to say the armed ship flown by a pirate. A pod isn't an armed threat. The consequence of crime in EVE is reduced security status, with all of the drawbacks that that implies.