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[Request] That CCP clarify what is the future of Incarna.

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2011-12-20 13:12:36 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The only CSM I would half expect to reply in this thread with any information of value is Trebor.

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-12-20 14:11:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The only CSM I would half expect to reply in this thread with any information of value is Trebor.

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



Called it!

Thanks Trebor. I think frankly most of us want to see work continue and focus on FiS but we also want to see the completion of WiS. Frankly I could care less how CCP allocates manpower...that is their business not the players. So long as they get the work done efficiently and correctly with fewer bugs and less delay.

Lets wait for the summit minutes and go from there. I honestly think we won't see any real information on WiS until Fanfest though. If we get some new info from the summit that will be nice.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#43 - 2011-12-20 14:38:37 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The only CSM I would half expect to reply in this thread with any information of value is Trebor.

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



Because, just going to the effing WiS thread and say "we're still thinking about it, bear with us" would be SO difficult... Roll
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-12-20 16:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The only CSM I would half expect to reply in this thread with any information of value is Trebor.

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



Called it!

Thanks Trebor. I think frankly most of us want to see work continue and focus on FiS but we also want to see the completion of WiS. Frankly I could care less how CCP allocates manpower...that is their business not the players. So long as they get the work done efficiently and correctly with fewer bugs and less delay.

Lets wait for the summit minutes and go from there. I honestly think we won't see any real information on WiS until Fanfest though. If we get some new info from the summit that will be nice.




thanks for the response
but still can,t understand why they keep quit ,even after more and more people are asking for info
we are not demanding anything or go to Jita to blast some statue (that,s for 0.0 alts ,who fly in systems with a too big alliance and are bored) ,at least not now j/k

R.S.I2014
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#45 - 2011-12-20 17:03:14 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The only CSM I would half expect to reply in this thread with any information of value is Trebor.

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



Because, just going to the effing WiS thread and say "we're still thinking about it, bear with us" would be SO difficult... Roll



What Trebor said should be obvious to anyone who has read the recent dev blogs and what ccp's ceo said.


How frequently do they need to repeat it? Every 2 months?

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2011-12-20 17:12:33 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The only CSM I would half expect to reply in this thread with any information of value is Trebor.

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



Because, just going to the effing WiS thread and say "we're still thinking about it, bear with us" would be SO difficult... Roll



What Trebor said should be obvious to anyone who has read the recent dev blogs and what ccp's ceo said.


How frequently do they need to repeat it? Every 2 months?





nothing to repeat we know that FIS got priority now ,but a lot want WIS and are hoping its not on the shelves forever
that's all we want to know ,everything they possibly could give on info about WIS

R.S.I2014
Velicitia
XS Tech
#47 - 2011-12-20 19:07:56 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
The only CSM I would half expect to reply in this thread with any information of value is Trebor.

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



Because, just going to the effing WiS thread and say "we're still thinking about it, bear with us" would be SO difficult... Roll



What Trebor said should be obvious to anyone who has read the recent dev blogs and what ccp's ceo said.


How frequently do they need to repeat it? Every 2 months?





nothing to repeat we know that FIS got priority now ,but a lot want WIS and are hoping its not on the shelves forever
that's all we want to know ,everything they possibly could give on info about WIS



they already gave all the info they have on WiS up to right now.


One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-12-20 21:14:59 UTC
Velicitia wrote:




they already gave all the info they have on WiS up to right now.




Yes? ok tell me then ,were the TQ,s the only room s they were working on,was or had they more in the pipeline to finish
What are their expectations regarding WIS,do they think they will be able to pick it from the selves again

again not demanding more WIS right now ,but want to know if there could be more later

R.S.I2014
Flamespar
WarRavens
#49 - 2011-12-20 22:31:30 UTC
Thanks for your response Trebor.

I think the main thing that we would like communicated to CCP, is that there is indeed support for the original vision of WiS but that it should not be confused with support for the current state of Incarna. Nor are we asking that it take any particular priority (though similar to any feature in EVE we would like it to recieve serious developer time at some point).

I know that the summit has already occured, and that Incarna did not feature highly in those discussions. Personally I think it creates the impressions that CCP is abandoning the feature. I'm not sure why CCP won't clarify their plans for this feature over the next year.

Can you formally request that CCP respond to the issues raised in this thread and those in the 75 page thread in general discussion.

We've been playing the 'wait and see' game with Incarna for years, enough is enough already.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#50 - 2011-12-20 22:56:40 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
Thanks for your response Trebor.

I think the main thing that we would like communicated to CCP, is that there is indeed support for the original vision of WiS but that it should not be confused with support for the current state of Incarna. Nor are we asking that it take any particular priority (though similar to any feature in EVE we would like it to recieve serious developer time at some point).

I know that the summit has already occured, and that Incarna did not feature highly in those discussions. Personally I think it creates the impressions that CCP is abandoning the feature. I'm not sure why CCP won't clarify their plans for this feature over the next year.

Can you formally request that CCP respond to the issues raised in this thread and those in the 75 page thread in general discussion.

We've been playing the 'wait and see' game with Incarna for years, enough is enough already.


What drives me nuts is how this silence does nothing for CCP and is unnecessarily bothering people. I even pondered the chances of taking the matter to the press...
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-12-20 22:59:56 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
they already gave all the info they have on WiS up to right now.

Yes? ok tell me then ,were the TQ,s the only room s they were working on,was or had they more in the pipeline to finish
What are their expectations regarding WIS,do they think they will be able to pick it from the selves again

again not demanding more WIS right now ,but want to know if there could be more later

Any previous plans for WiS will have been greatly hampered by the fact that Incarna showed the technology behind it to be a buggy, resource hogging, graphics card- frying piece of crap.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-12-21 01:42:49 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
they already gave all the info they have on WiS up to right now.

Yes? ok tell me then ,were the TQ,s the only room s they were working on,was or had they more in the pipeline to finish
What are their expectations regarding WIS,do they think they will be able to pick it from the selves again

again not demanding more WIS right now ,but want to know if there could be more later

Any previous plans for WiS will have been greatly hampered by the fact that Incarna showed the technology behind it to be a buggy, resource hogging, graphics card- frying piece of crap.


lol...what a load of ****. I do suppose that something that looks as good as the Carbon Character Engine would run and feel like crap for someone who has a ****** system.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2011-12-21 13:59:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



So what? Can we expect some information as to the future of WIS from CCP or do you think it's acceptable that the walk in stations stuff that CCP promised to us and have been working on for years has now just been shelved?

It's blindingly obvious that a lot of people want to see more walk in stations content and the Incarna crap that we have now is not what we were promised/shown. I think it's about time the CSM do what they were elected and get us some solid information instead of ignoring a section of the community.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#54 - 2011-12-21 14:07:22 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I even pondered the chances of taking the matter to the press...


lol
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#55 - 2011-12-21 14:54:18 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



So what? Can we expect some information as to the future of WIS from CCP or do you think it's acceptable that the walk in stations stuff that CCP promised to us and have been working on for years has now just been shelved?

It's blindingly obvious that a lot of people want to see more walk in stations content and the Incarna crap that we have now is not what we were promised/shown. I think it's about time the CSM do what they were elected and get us some solid information instead of ignoring a section of the community.


Please give the source of the promise. They did say they were working on it and they did work on it. The fact that with current hardware its impracticle to do what they want right now does not mean they broke a promise.

I don't think they are ignoring you. They did put out 2 or 3 dev blogs (1 on shaders and one on the new cqs and one on new clothes) about incarna in the last 3 months.

Really face it you are getting a decent amount of attention but you want more attention. You want them to return to the days when that is all they worked on. But that will kill their business.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2011-12-21 16:05:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Cearain wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

CCP's exact prioritization for the next couple of expansions is still up in the air, but it will focus heavily on FiS work. There may be some more information in the Summit minutes about manpower allocations, but I can't go into more details at present.



So what? Can we expect some information as to the future of WIS from CCP or do you think it's acceptable that the walk in stations stuff that CCP promised to us and have been working on for years has now just been shelved?

It's blindingly obvious that a lot of people want to see more walk in stations content and the Incarna crap that we have now is not what we were promised/shown. I think it's about time the CSM do what they were elected and get us some solid information instead of ignoring a section of the community.


Please give the source of the promise. They did say they were working on it and they did work on it. The fact that with current hardware its impracticle to do what they want right now does not mean they broke a promise.

I don't think they are ignoring you. They did put out 2 or 3 dev blogs (1 on shaders and one on the new cqs and one on new clothes) about incarna in the last 3 months.

Really face it you are getting a decent amount of attention but you want more attention. You want them to return to the days when that is all they worked on. But that will kill their business.


Show me a devblog where CCP explain what happened to all the WIS content (gambling, public areas drug trading) has gone and why we have been left with this Incarna dress-up bullshit that nobody wanted or expected.

I don't know why you guys are supporting CCP so much. They have given you nothing for years because they claimed they were working on WIS and now WIS has been canned! Wake up, you've just been cheated out of you money.

I'm a new player and there is a bunch of stuff that i would like fixing in this game but i was willing to put up with it because i expected incarna to be worth the wait... Can't you see why myself and other would like to know more?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Flamespar
WarRavens
#57 - 2011-12-21 23:24:15 UTC
Cearain wrote:

Really face it you are getting a decent amount of attention but you want more attention. You want them to return to the days when that is all they worked on. But that will kill their business.


No-one is asking for this. No-one is asking for CCP to focus all of their attention on WiS. It is a cheap trick to suggest that we are. All we want is that CCP commit to actually giving it some attention and give us some direction as to when.
Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2011-12-22 00:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sephiroth Clone VII
Things change over time.

I recall hilmar some months ago saying that he wants to come back to incarna, the 'real' incarna.

Current incarna is a small confined single player game, which goes against everything massive and multiplayer about eve.

Could always give a new statement from eve developers what the future is, not that its the post 'incarna' era with crucible.

Wonder if crucible is a reference to the rebellion of angry players, like a 'crucible'.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#59 - 2011-12-22 02:19:08 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Velicitia wrote:




they already gave all the info they have on WiS up to right now.




Yes? ok tell me then ,were the TQ,s the only room s they were working on,was or had they more in the pipeline to finish
What are their expectations regarding WIS,do they think they will be able to pick it from the selves again

again not demanding more WIS right now ,but want to know if there could be more later


no, they had/have other stuff. It wasn't all ready to get released with Incarna this summer (look at the SISI build and stuff, there are references to other places).

It's probably a good bet that the winter expansion was initially intended to bring these other venues to WiS -- and then the complete backlash from the community, the emergency CSM summit, and other internal discussion made CCP go "oh **** guys, we're not going to survive another expansion like this".

They came up with Crucible -- fix a lot of the "little" things, refocus on FiS, bring more ships (note, they may have been "in the works" anyway... and just put on a faster timetable). Seriously, it's an apology expansion ... the real test of their new direction will be the summer 2012 expansion.

They've pulled the majority of WiS and WoD and other non-Dust people back to focusing on FIS. WIS may have a token team (like FIS had for the last 2 years) so there will be little things that get done ... but they know they really have to work on the technology before they have a multi-toon environment (lest they melt people's rigs again).

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#60 - 2011-12-22 07:58:56 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
I even pondered the chances of taking the matter to the press...


lol


Provided how i'm stuck with this account pre-paid until May, you bet I will keep hammering this nail until I get an answer.