EVE General Discussion

Oh, Please can we get realism in stations, please? It's kind of ludicrous now when you see 20 Carriers undock from a station that is barely as wide as one of them.

Even the vast qualtities of Battleships could never be realisticlly stored in hangers. Stations need to be much bigger ... or, just shrink all the ships in comparison to everything else. Either way ... Stations and Ships are not even close to being aligned.

(And please don't excuse it with some TARDIS theory, or shrinkage ray).

Talking about the station Size vs Ship Size, I think its a great idea, but I feel that CCP will only work on it when incarna gets finished, you know and when I can walk out that damed door

It would make sense, but I hope it doesn't. For my taste, the Cormorant hull is the best hull in the game. More of them are better. I love the way the Corm looks.

A program of polling and asking for player submissions is unlikely, however the art team does see feedback posted in Features & Ideas, so please feel welcome to post there. As for other ways to get your feedback heard, we are planning to have a round table session at Fanfest that will provide an opportunity for player feedback. Also, CSM members often pass along art feedback, so you can consider contacting one of the CSM representatives.

I'm sorry, I mean that a systematic program of surveys is unlikely. You are of course most welcome to post feedback in Features & Ideas (sorry, I had meant to include that explicitly, will edit) as well as offering it via CSM or in person at Fanfest.

Edit: Clarified the post you quoted to avoid confusion. :)

What? What's wrong with the Vexor? If anything, its bigger brother is in much more need of a redesign. That ugly space potato with its big forehead.


For me, it's the opposite. I really like the look of the corax.


Then you have several ships to look at...

Since we're discussing ship designs, I have to ask when you guys are going to fix Assault Frigates? But honestly, I'm less interested in an answer to that, than the follow-up question of: why were half of the Assault Frigate models screwed up in the first place?

Because when I started flying them, I was honestly shocked that one AF out of each race had a completely wrong model. The Hawk in a Merlin model? No. The Ishkur in the Incursus hull? Those are the two immediately obvious ones. That those AF's were done wrong from the get-go is inconceivable, considering the correct models were already in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwijF6t5AOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPbz3ntqZXM

Those videos show old stealth bomber models that, coincidentally, are not used any more and just happen to be the correct hulls for the out-of-place AF models. The work involved in creating the collision models and all that was already done. Someone just decided that doing the logical thing for the AF's just...made too much sense and decided to go out of their way to make a wrong decision? Not only that, when the visuals for EVE were updated and somehow new light reflections made the old electronics-powerhouse-looking Blackbird look like a hyped-up Gecko (how does that even work?), other visual models were updated, and a completely viable opportunity to correct these AF mistakes was ignored.

So to be direct, why are half of the AF models wrong, and why does they continue to be wrong? I'm sure it's a very interesting story. As these stories tend to go, I'm sure it made perfect sense at the time, I just wish to hear what that perspective was.

honestly ive been fine with most of the new remodels of ships so far but my main concern is that alot of the new ship models that have been coming out recently are for ships that dont really need a remodel , especially on a ship like the Incurses where im pretty sure it was updated recently and was already one of the nicer frigates already and felt completely unnecessary and i want my lance back :(, tbh i would have expected some of the ships that really feel outdated or in dire need of a rework come up first like the Aoen ( this is seriously still number 1 on my list of things that need a rework MAKE IT WHOLE AGAIN) or the griffin which looks like it should be minmatar or the scythe which looks incredibly outdated compared to the rest of the minmatar models... next tot he breacher, no even sure how that thing flys without falling apart.

Stealth bomber base models need to die. The stealth bomber model as the base hull and Assault Frigs would be great.


Posting in features and ideas feels like talking into a wishing well. What's better is a precursory post to let us know you're receptive to input in a specific area. Thorough feedback takes time to compose, and a focused dev thread makes it more likely people will have organized thoughts on the subject.

I'm going to say the text format of the forums will make for more organized conversation than a meeting in person. There's no need to take notes or lose information in forum discussions, and we can use multimedia links from the comfort of home, rather than travel all the way to Iceland.

Devs and players are in their place of business (the home and office), where the game is played and developed. I can ask my questions with examples, and you can research the answers from the office, with other devs available and at work. This is far better than a player gathering where you have a pen and paper in your hand, and are likely to say "I'll get back to you on that" before agreeing to a selfie and forgetting.

In forum threads, you also don't need to worry about waiting for your turn to speak. Just quote and fire away.

Art is one of those things that is mostly handled CCP-side, but there is still player input to be had regarding small details.

Having asked Devs questions in person before, I know it's more of a customer service / publicity event than a chance to have any real dialog. In fact my questions were dodged and sidestepped, so really, being in person doesn't guarantee anything. Forum thread format is better for proof that a question was left unanswered.

If you read F&I threads, post in them. It's a sign of life, in the game's official forum. Participation in outside sites like Reddit is understandable, but the problem is dev participation is higher on those sites. I don't get why this is permitted, when Reddit accounts are easily thrown away, while EVE-O posts are tied to specific, paid accounts of customers.

Originally, the Merlin had Hybrid AND missiles. The Hawk/Harpy AF progression was just specialisation into one or the other. They diverged when they progressed from T1 to T2.

Then along came the T1 frigate re-work and the Merlin became hybrid-only.

I won't comment about the Incursus as I was only new to Eve and didn't fly Gallente at the time.


In summary: the AF models are right, and it's perfectly conceivable that they're going to stay that way. There's honestly no need to be shocked.