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A Message Regarding "Hyperdunking"

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Nail Zota
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#441 - 2015-01-29 16:50:42 UTC
Didn't take long.

Some players manage to avoid full payback by jumping into a shuttle (or other cheap ship) before concord intervention.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#442 - 2015-01-29 17:18:35 UTC
Nail Zota wrote:
Didn't take long.

Some players manage to avoid full payback by jumping into a shuttle (or other cheap ship) before concord intervention.

What? I'm pretty sure this doesn't work.

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Paranoid Loyd
#443 - 2015-01-29 17:20:36 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Nail Zota wrote:
Didn't take long.

Some players manage to avoid full payback by jumping into a shuttle (or other cheap ship) before concord intervention.

What? I'm pretty sure this doesn't work.

No it doesn't. Another grossly erroneous interpretation of what is going on.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Nail Zota
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#444 - 2015-01-29 17:50:59 UTC
Probably. But I have a hard time explaining why concord insists on blowing this guy shuttles.

https://zkillboard.com/character/94202568/

I'm no pro of hi-sec ops, so I'm surely missing something.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#445 - 2015-01-29 17:56:35 UTC
Nail Zota wrote:
Probably. But I have a hard time explaining why concord insists on blowing this guy shuttles.

https://zkillboard.com/character/94202568/

I'm no pro of hi-sec ops, so I'm surely missing something.

He's probably entering a ship post-gank to draw CONCORD away from the point where the gank was made.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

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Nail Zota
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#446 - 2015-01-29 18:21:04 UTC
AFAIK their no way to draw concord with a shuttle. That means he jumps ship before he gets concorded (which is still not permited). Or do I get something wrong?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#447 - 2015-01-29 18:22:06 UTC
If you're GCC, it doesn't matter what ship you enter, it will still draw a CONCORD response. So yes, both shuttles and noob ships will work. A pod, on the other hand, won't.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

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Paranoid Loyd
#448 - 2015-01-29 18:25:48 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
If you're GCC, it doesn't matter what ship you enter, it will still draw a CONCORD response. So yes, both shuttles and noob ships will work. A pod, on the other hand, won't.

Confirming this is correct.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#449 - 2015-01-29 19:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Nail Zota wrote:
AFAIK their no way to draw concord with a shuttle. That means he jumps ship before he gets concorded (which is still not permited).
School of applied knowledge? Hmmm

Nail Zota wrote:
Or do I get something wrong?
Yes, very wrong. Now please stop rumour mongering.

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Nail Zota
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#450 - 2015-01-29 19:32:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Nail Zota
very wrong? how?

I believed sure that jumping ship before concord intervention was a bannable offense. Is this true or not? that's all I want to know.
Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#451 - 2015-01-29 19:39:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
Nail Zota wrote:
very wrong? how?

I believed sure that jumping ship before concord intervention was a bannable offense. Is this true or not? that's all I want to know.
Your entire premise is wrong, people who hyperdunk can't jump ship, their ship has to be destroyed before they can reship; this is how it works:

  1. They shoot at someone and gain a GCC flag.
  2. Concord roll up and destroy their ship
  3. They warp their pod to a safe spot where an alt or friend has dropped off some shuttles or newb ships
  4. They board a shuttle or newb ship
  5. Concord leave the scene of the original crime and roll up to destroy the ship they just boarded
  6. They warp their pod back to the scene of their original crime
  7. Concord are still at the spot where the shuttles or newb ships are, giving a window of opportunity to carry out the next steps
  8. They board a new gank ship that has been dropped off, along with several other gank ships, by the same alt or friend that dropped off the shuttles
  9. They shoot at the target some more extending their GCC flag
  10. Goto step 2 and repeat until their target is dead

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Paranoid Loyd
#452 - 2015-01-29 19:56:53 UTC
Nail Zota wrote:
very wrong? how?

I believed sure that jumping ship before concord intervention was a bannable offense. Is this true or not? that's all I want to know.

It's not even possible to leave your ship once you have committed a criminal act.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Nail Zota
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#453 - 2015-01-29 20:05:28 UTC
That makes sense. Thank you.

I guess some kill didn't get posted, and that confused me.
Paranoid Loyd
#454 - 2015-01-29 21:18:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Nail Zota wrote:
I guess some kill didn't get posted, and that confused me.

If the DPS ship dies to the gate guns before concord engages there will be no kill mail generated (at least not one that shows on the killboards, there will be one in game). Posax mostly smartbombs on the gates and his tank does not last long enough for Concord to engage so most of his Maller losses won't get posted.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Hallvardr
#455 - 2015-01-30 01:03:03 UTC
I think I read a related idea .. but if someone appears next to my Bowhead and dumps 8 fitted cats then warps away ... I'd say thank you and scoop to ship maintenance bay. Wouldn't that be a shock on the his first return to grid.
Valterra Craven
#456 - 2015-01-30 02:52:38 UTC
I wonder how gankers would react if Concord actually did the correct thing and Podded them to boot...
Elana Apgar
Allspark Industries
#457 - 2015-01-30 03:24:21 UTC
CCP Falcon,

I understand your position with hyperdunking. However, many people will disagree with you and leave the game. Have you guys considered that while it does generate content, in the long run you will probably lose money. I have personally seen the corp mails of people quitting hauling, something that they genuinely enjoy doing, or unsubbing that account, because the current climate has ruined this aspect of the game for them.

I don't want to see the Eve Online community shrink. I'd rather see it grow.

I hope that this was considered when coming to this ruling.

o7
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#458 - 2015-01-30 03:56:45 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
I wonder how gankers would react if Concord actually did the correct thing and Podded them to boot...

They'd find a way. And that's the difference between the two player demographics in question. One adapts, and the other begs for player interaction to be shifted to NPCs instead.

Elana Apgar wrote:
I don't want to see the Eve Online community shrink. I'd rather see it grow.

Ah, yes, the good old "there's more of us than there's of you, so no one would be sad to see you go because the game would be better off without you anyway" argument.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#459 - 2015-01-30 04:09:30 UTC
The solution is simple - the 15 minute GCC timer should mean instant death for the entire 15 minutes, without the ability to activate any modules on ships.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#460 - 2015-01-30 04:18:24 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
The solution is simple - the 15 minute GCC timer should mean instant death for the entire 15 minutes, without the ability to activate any modules on ships.

How would instant death work if CONCORD has a response timer?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted