Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What?

How is changing server architecture going to solve anything except having to port everything from x86 to ARM or other half-baked low-power garbage?

Can we keep it on topic please.

I think some of the concerns are valid but am struggling to see why its a big deal if a ground game player affects eve pilots in some way, we affect theirs already. In the current gameplay Eve is very much a factor in FW battles as well as PC battles and it plays into lore that people would be on planetary surfaces throughout new eden including but not limited to the Planetary Infrastructure already in place.

As for the server, dust is already on TQ, that has no bearing on this discussion either. So please keep it on topic.

Part of the Eve/Dust marketing campaign that CCP had last year(?) was One Universe//One War, I personally, as an Eve player would like to see that One Universe, any ideas to help further this goal are welcome here, please keep the rest in private mails, journals or some other form.

Thank you

I gotta admit, Eve does feel pretty text based and although I used to play Dungeons and Dragons this is my upgrade from that. My kids would rather play a graphical game than a text based one as well even though they like helping me push buttons while running missions or gate camping or even scanning every once in a while. That said they are much better at games like Dust or Need for Speed Most wanted because it is all graphical and the games excite them more.

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if they have that much infrastructure, then they would have to be part of an alliance holding SOV for them to build on thsoe planets, so it would be no different than somebody no showing up for a station defence.

so yeah, its the same thing. you can fight them, they can fight you. (and wasnt the original goal to actually GIVE them some defense in the form of anti-orbital cannons, you know, to counter EVE's ability to blast them to hell FROm orbit?)

Was this not a thread about how to integrate Dust, EVE, and Valk, or did I miss a turn somewhere.

Since ISD apparently decided that a discussion on the sever mechanics inhibiting integration, and the viability of building the game from scratch to integrate things was out of bounds, it seems we can either discuss HOW that mechanic should work, or just sit around waving our hands and agreeing that some integration would be nice without discussing specifics.

Only one of those is useful though.

I personally influence DUSt nearly not at all. I do not live in highsec or lowsec. I have never fitted an orbital cannon, not carried out an orbital strike. I do not do PI, and all the PI products I purchase come from planets in nullsec outside of the Dust afflicted areas.

Well then let's dredge all the way back to page 1.

Integration should have benefits for everyone involved. Not motivated by penalties for the loser. Successful integration means giving all players involved incentives to interact with others, not by threatening players with harsh penalties if they do not interact with people outside of the game they are playing.

Negative reinforcement is a really **** motivation for getting involved. If you want people to get involved in DUST, introduce benefits for controlling things through DUST/VALK, but not massive penalties other than losing control of the bonus for losing a match.

Some potentials benefits of controlling an area through DUST/Legion/Valk could include:

Reduced NPC POCO tax in highsec/(lowsec if it has NPC tax)
Increased POCO yield at planets where you have both control and the POCO
Siphoning part of a non owned POCO's Export Tax revenue.
Increasing or decreasing the rate at which military/industrial/strategic indexes increase in nullsec
Control rate increases in FW space if the system is by allied forces
Decreased job installation costs when holding enough localized space
Increasing bonus from ESS's when the area is help by freindly forces.

I am fully against DUST or Valk stopping, damaging, or directly reducing any players SOV, PI, POS, Markets, Contracts, Local, the abilities of ships, or system upgrades.

There, that's my opinion. You have your opinion that Dusties should be able to make major differences in eVe despite not playing the game, not being invested in the game, and not risking anything in our game. I think the absolute opposite.

And I'm fully prepared to argue the point till the sun burns cold.

P.S: There's a difference between telling someone that "your idea is unfeasible/impossible/a bad idea" and insulting them. It;s something you really need to learn if you post much here. This is a Features and Ideas Discussion forum where people come to get feedback and criticism on their ideas, so taking people not liking your ideas personally is a great way to get upset offended over nothing.

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One is an immortal Capsuleer, commanding ships by themselves (or close it it) capable of destroying hundreds of other ships crewed by thousands of NPC, a synthesis of man and machine that from an NPC standpoint, possess nearly godlike power. The massed strength of capsuleers is such that even the power of the Empires pale in comparison to that of the capsuleer alliances controlling Nullsec.

The other is a grunt who gets dropped down to die over and over and over again to capture ground targets of minor worth, which is liable to be flipped back in short order anyway.

One game is a paid subscription game where people have invested thousands of hours to build up their skills and understanding of a complex game, their personal wealth, their knowledge of the game, and establishing friends and allies working together for a common cause.

The other is to put it bluntly, a fairly shallow Free to Play FPS game in which both the risk and rewards are extremely limited.

Does this really sound like equality to anyone else besides the OP?

Yes, Dust bunnies are nowhere near the equal of a capsuleer because

A: They don't pay for my game and thus should not expect to have any significant influence in my subscription game.
B: They don't have the same level of investment in the game that many EVE players have in EVE. I have spent over 5 years playing this game fairly actively, if I can't count the number of people who have spent as much time in DUST as I have in EVE on the fingers of one hand, I'll be very surprised.
C: Since they do not risk much of anything in their FTP game, the reward they are capable of achieving should be equally as great. Barely anything. You don't win big bucks on a penny ante card game, and you don't get to significantly effect a permanence game with resetting arranged arcade games.

If Dusties want to influence EVE significantly, the bare minimum would be requiring a paid subscription first, and then introducing mechanics where EVE players are able to do as much damage on the EVE players terms to Dusties without directly interacting with them as the Dusties can do to EVE players without intereacting with them.

But until then: Yes, FTP players are by default, second class citizens to paid subscribers.

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Is this not a possibility? Eve pilots moving clones for Dust players by contract?