EVE General Discussion

So you hate them because :slippery-slope:

Personally I'd rather have features added that people like that has no downsides, then save the fight for the changes that matter.

I hope you realize just how mediocre and seldom-used this feature is.

Also, you understand that in order to make the sec back traditionally, a pirate has to chain spawns for 10 hours, and makes 500 million ISK in the process. However, in order to get his status back via tags, he has to chain spawns for 10 hours and then give that money up. Notice a difference?


We've been fighting for changes that matter, and losing every such fight, for many years now (ever since the Privateers for nerfed, in my opinion). So now, we're pretty much forced to fight for everything, because our play styles' very existence is threatened. We're fighting for survival, like cornered animals.

Yes, in your second story you forget that isk can be purchased for cash (PLEX), thereby not forcing the gank-bear to endure the 10 hours of PVE. As much as gank-bears love non-consensual PVP, I thought the balance of non-consensual PVE (forcing the gank-bears to grind for sec) was valid balance. There is no balance now.


What you've been fighting for is changes that make your play style easer/better, while fighting changes that make other people's play style easier/better. Your play style isn't "threatened", no one has asked for removal of ganking/awoxing/wars, what people have asked for is some balance in the supposed repercussions of those actions. As many times as gank-bears cry - risk/reward / nerf the PVE'ers - they also forget the other Eve meme - actions have consequences - You fight tooth and nail to make sure you don't have to suffer them.

I don't think you quite understood what I meant by my post.

The traditional method of gaining sec back means an expenditure of X amount of time with a resulting Y amount of profit.

Buying tags, on the other hand, means an expenditure of X-Z (Z coming from natural sec gain, and being about 10% of X, by my estimates) amount of time, with all of the resulting profit going toward the purchase of tags.

Buying tags is much less financially efficient, if the method of making finances is a constant.


Right, and as I said in my very first post in this thread, if it's a purely cosmetic function, I don't really care. But the issue of slippery slope remains.


Buying PLEX is a constant for all of EVE's players. Just like a ganker can buy PLEX to avoid the money grind for tags, the dead miner or hauler can buy PLEX in order to avoid the money grind for lost asset recuperation. Your argument is moot.


False.


Really? Do you really want to go down this road with me?

Dude errrybodys gonna form 1man "npc solo" corps and then just join all together in social corps to evade consequences like tax and war. Like todays incursion runners do.

Why is this soooo hard to see?

Why is it so hard for you to read what was written? The "npc solo" corps will have the same tax and lack of features, just a different name and graphic. Which makes it great for people who connect with others like them, but are risk-averse enough to just stay in an NPC corp. With the change, they can be in an NPC-style corp, but have social interaction with a group of like-minded individuals - which may keep them in the game long enough to become less or non-risk-averse. Get it? It provides no benefit beyond feeling part of a group - same tax, same gank-ability, same lack-of-POS - but you can group with others, and become social.

This statement totally proves what I said, you don't actually read the posts. The current mechanics mean they don't have to grind for isk. P2 does not happen when they can buy tags with isk received from ganking activities or PLEX. Which makes your third comment accurate "there is no consequence for ganking"

Though, this whole ganking discussion is off-topic from the ranting-OP. Giving people the ability to easily connect with others, thereby providing social interaction that may keep folks around longer, is a good thing.

What, on God's-green-earth, does that have to do with NOT having to pay the consequences of an action? Nice attempt at deflection, but it would go much better if you would just admit that you'd never thought of it that way because it affects your play positively? Though, admitting when your wrong is something most people, for whatever reason, won't do. They will continue to lie to themselves and others just to avoid the uncomfortable truth.

Thought chooses where there was only one clear choice ccp said was stupid and bad and should be removed (learning skills, medical clone grades, etc)