EVE General Discussion

P2W is an element of many games, and an appropriate topic for ongoing discussion. Whether it's actually possible to pay-to-win is debatable, but if botting software provides no ingame advantage, why are people handing over cash for it? There have been arguments over unfair advantage all the time I've been playing too, yup. I think it's a good thing tbh, and it helps (efforts) to maintain a balance between 'emergent gameplay' and monstrously overpowered mechanics. But the debates over these massive multiboxing fleets have only kicked off in the last couple of years, and it seems to tie into the emergence of ISBoxer in particular as an acceptable tool.

You and a few others have been screaming in here for weeks about how unfair this ruling is. One of the top posters was banned from reddit for posting a workaround to this ruling. In the last couple of weeks we've been subjected to dozens of threads in GD from people claiming to be championing (on throwaway NPC alts) the 'innocent multiboxers' who have been banned. It's almost like some of you are trying to cause panic within the wider halfwit multiboxing community.

The two top posters in this thread have commented over 500 times, but for some reason KC feels compelled to refer to someone who raises a valid point as having trained Autism V. Protesting a mechanic change is one thing, but state your case and then move on. Right now you botters are verbally abusing my Devs, my CSM and my fellow players, so I think it's fair to raise a few counter points. Maybe utter a few insults along the way. For balance. I occasionally squawk at them too, but there are reasonable limits. I think this thread is being kept up and unmoderated, and GMS are directing players to it for clarification partly to demonstrate just how repugnant the protesters actually are. It's possible they are just being a bit incompetent as usual, but w/e, I'd prefer to think it's deliberate. I know it's shocking, but the 'Vanilla' players (ie, those who don't bot) are more than entitled to waggle our rusty pitchforks and chant hysterically back when you try to demand special treatment from CCP. So that you can continue botting.

Is the free version of ISBoxer based on referrals by any chance?

Please list the 3rd party EvE related programs which CCP endorse and are real-life money subscription based. I'd exclude things like teamspeak, forum software and server hosting, because there are free versions - although it's not unfair to say they can be used to create ingame advantages. But I'd be interested to see what is currently available beyond those. Tia, cupcake.

I can control all my clients fine without isboxer. I use isboxer mostly for the convenience of logging in, the ability to limit FPS of nonfocused clients and the ability to assign clients to specific cores. Otherwise my 8 core CPU isn't utilized properly by Eve...

All I have to do is resize the windows and position the clients in windowed mode across my monitors and isboxer is no longer relevant outside of the performance improvements it brings. Using windowed mode I can easily control +20 clients without isboxer. Since the repeater function is banned your talking point isn't even relevant anymore.




ISboxer isn't a bot get over it and move on as you said should be done. Otherwise you're just trolling with complete nonsense. I mean seriously complaining that people are posting too much in this thread and calling a window management tool a bot is just trolling.

Cheater's gonna cheat. "Never used macros."

Nothing in that thread says he wasn't using input duplication. Also note that CCP will ban all your accounts for a EULA violation involving any of your accounts. This is known, and has been the case since around the time of Unholy Rage.

Have to admit this is having a chilling effect on me expanding my account base. I have 2 main accounts and i recently started a new one. I was looking at getting few more as life in a WH you really need to have a few things available to you at any one time to do much, and well we just are not a popular TZ. So i need to be about to field a few things myself (HICs, BS, Recons etc).

Currently i use multiple monitors and multiple computers (synergy to use them as one). But i can and do move between them quickly. I can easily activate guns in the same server tick across 3 accounts for example.

I love this game. I love the sheer brutality of it. The HTFU nature of balls deep PVP with just about every isk you have sometimes. Losing is really losing. Winning is AWESOMENESS.

But this stinks more and more of a the of attitude and lack of communication habits CCP had before the original burn jita. Lets face it, a lot of that rage was just too little communication, too many unkowns. While they can reply to threads about space ship interiors this issue is just left to rot.

Getting pretty worried of how this could shake out.

Comming back from ccp visit in iceland ee have seen how they handle the detection and follow up on boxer use. I can asure hou its very carefull and i was amazed at the detials and insight. I cant tell what and so ofc, to breach my non dosclosure.

I run 3 accounts on eve as its my passion, the gäme atracts me, the blocking of this hardly compairs too the jita riots and moncole gate, where a underlying mentality in ccp was the cause, taking cate of multiboxing as unfair advantage is somthing which the 99 procent of gamers agree with and which keeps them playing eve.

Each time changes come poeple will whine and *****, which doesnt make it w bad thing for the long term heatlh of eve online

Your contradictions aside, please show me this survey where 99% of people agree multiple accounts are cheating?
Can you honestly say these people were educated on the limitations of ISBoxer and given both sides of the story?
Can you tell us why, exactly, you chose to ignore the ISBoxers when we 1) told you that a simple broadcast ban wouldn't have much effect, and 2) when we attempted to open a dialogue with you and CCP in order to fix the proposal?
Can you tell us, in your own words, your personal grievances with ISBoxer? I would love to have an actual discussion so we can clear up any misconceptions you have with the program.

Wow, this is incredible, so basicly all gamers agree that its using more then one account is bad? Wouldnt say that figure is right, there more then one percent of playes that multibox. Also, the Power of Two program was a bad idea then right? Cause i thought that ccp wants Us to use more accounts, to pay them more money.

This blows my mind. Eve the game that has been legendary for multiboxing since basically day one. Eve the game that has developers who pimp the Power of two and other promotions to get you to run more then one account. In that game it's now considered an unfair advantage to have more then one account...

What's next? It's an unfair advantage that my ISP never crashes, my computer is better then yours and my character has mor SP? Is it an unfair advantage that I have many MANY more years of gameplay experience then you?

My god man we're slowly marching towards CoD in space...




EDIT : I play eve because I love the challenge of multiboxing. Without multiboxing there's a wide variety of games that does the space part better, the PVP part better etcetc. With the advent of good well designed free to play games Eve just can't compete on an one account basis.


Not to mention that stuff like cyno alts and such are damned near a required thing in null..

I don't even care about the video stuff. I could understand not wanting that.

What I care about is not getting banned because I hit F1 too quickly on different machines/screens.

you know what would help rather than a bunch of stonewalling on CCP part. An official response rather than this BS about saying exactly nothing about nothing!