EVE General Discussion

It was known as probe scanning but CCP wanted to make miners easier to find and kill.

How dose one specifically target either the former of those proposed social groups?

Edit: derp, need moar coffee.

I'm drinking a Mocca this morning and would also like to know the answer.

I fly NPSI quite a bit. We would like more tools to be about to organize these things. However most of what we want is very short lived temporally. For example fleet standings. We we can set what is blue just for a single fleet for everyone in the fleet. ie Social tools and hence the idea of a social group, but this would have no bearing on anything other than organizing of fleets and events. So taxs, POS etc would have nothing to do with this and would be 100% not affected or changed. Wardecs also would have nothing to do with it. You belong in the same way you belong to different sports clubs. Who you are in eve still has far more to do with your corp.

I also agree that the current war dec system is broken. We just more or less ignore them, they don't really serve the purpose they where added to the game. The idea however is ok, that is to allow pvp conflict in highsec outside ganks.

I don't really know how you would fix wardecs. I can't see a way to implement them without them being abused in some way.

I also don't like the immunity of NPC corps. But of course my freighter toon is in one, it would be silly not to. I have aways thought that perhaps even some sort of kill licence where you pay a fee for a killright on a single person with the bounties would work better at least with respect to bounties.

As for corps. We all want the same things fixed. Roles Roles and after that Roles. If you think this is putting an end to awoxing your very mistaken. Of course if your version of awoxing is a few friendly corp kills. Perhaps, but that was never a real awoxer anyway.

It sounds like they are planning these to be like mailing list, chat channel, etc all in a group which people can have membership to on top of their corp. If this is the case then I really don't understand some of the hostility to the idea as there's no downside. You aren't mechanically safer by being in a mailing list, and it will hopefully encourage more people to get involved as it's simpler and easier to advertise.

If they are like NPC corps but player run though, then it will be a bit lame.

It sets a precedent. Today it's just a chat channel and a mailing list, tomorrow it's "we'd like to encourage more cooperative play for our newer members by allowing social corporations to have a shared hangar function." And then it builds up like that, until the only feature differentiating social corps from "real" ones is some obscure technicality that hardly anyone uses anyway. Much like what happened with bounty-hunting/kill right collection.

survival of the fittest isn't it? "Sandbox"

If it works something like this then I could get on board. As a member of informal communities like BU and the New Order, it seems like there is room to create more elegant tools to manage these. Informal and NPSI communities have become a well established part of EVE, so why not build some mechanics to support them?

If it turns out that CCP is planning to make player owned NPC corps immune to wardecs though, well **** that. We've all been calling for NPC corps to be nerfed for years. I would hope that they wouldn't go the opposite direction.

And CSM Steve, I'm not sure that newbros getting griefed out of the game is actually a thing. I've heard of these situations in a proverbial sense from forum whiners many times, but never with any actual examples or specifics provided. Newbro corps can and do disband under the weight of wardecs, but the players usually seem to move on to other, better things. Those that quit I think generally do so from boredom rather than because of wardecs. The boredom is often a result of poor corp leadership and content creation.

I can totally corroborate this. I've infiltrated a lot of corporations over the years for various reasons, and this is essentially spot-on. Even the ratio presented seems about right to me. Those people leave because there's pvp in the game, period.

It is not clear what the OP even means or what is even being suggested. As for some form of better online tools in EVE rather than having to use external tools (aka fleet up etc), why not have them in the game. It does not need to have anything to do with corps, or any game mechanic other than making it easier to roam out of corp.

It seems very unlikely that this is going to be a corp lite, but rather more of a fleetup tool in game.