EVE General Discussion

First of all, this is most certainly not a whine thread -- this is something I've been thinking about for years now, and I'd love to have an actual discussion about the following: too much of Eve's PVP is "meaningless", which is driven by two things -- the existence of killmails/killboards, and the lack of consequences of criminal acts.

By meaningless, I mean that there are no in-game motivations for it. Oh, sure, often there are, don't get me wrong, but so much of it is just killboard stats padding. I think that judging things in such a manner warps the reality of the game world.

Running into some random piratey-type-of-guy in lowsec should be about him wanting the isk value of your stuff, not about more points on the killboard (and it seems to me these CODE guys that are ganking shuttles in hi-sec are the perfect example of killboard stat whoring).

Wars should be judged by the outcomes of movements and strategy, not about who has done more isk-damage.

I think back to Ultima Online, when being a "PK" (player-killer, for those of you who aren't old) was a fairly rare thing, the average player was not going to attack another player on sight, and then once in a while, if you were too aggressive at killing people outside of town, they would round up a band of "anti-PKs" and chase us down.

And don't get me wrong, Eve's PVP is fantastic. I would just somehow love to see one step towards in-game motivations.

Now, what I find very interesting about all this is that once I started thinking about this sort of thing, the more I see it in everything... once there were WoW mods like recount, raids became much less fun, or even in business with executives overly-focusing on monthly incomes and causing the rest of the business to get dragged down chasing that single goal.

So, of course I have NO idea how to fix this aside from removing all pvp stats from the game, but of course that is ridiculous, and there is certainly something to be said for having the ability to measure things as such. I'm not fundamentally against that, but things just... feel off, in this department.

Am I a crazy person, or does anyone else get what what I mean?

No Your Not Crazy. Yes Eve PvP Is Meaningless.

The thing about simulations is that no one actually plays them as such.

I'd actually like to see that, pirate Orcas loaded with fitted Catalysts, sneaking into systems... sounds like fun. Well, if the Orca gets flagged for harboring/allowing access to fugitives that is, otherwise you create another risk free environment.

And neither does it address the fact that gankers really have it too easy in this game, looking at comparitive ISK investment for gank ship vs gankee value.

I'm not exactly an innocent... I seek out games that are mainly PVP focussed, and I live by 'if it's red, it's dead'. I have solo roamed through enemy territory in every game I played while PVP enabled, just for the thrill of stalking and being chased. And I have never seen a game give a ganker so many advantages as EVE does. Takes the fun right out of it. Don't get me wrong, I would be flying one of those pirate Orcas.

Regarding CODE, I didn't realize they offered permits -- I've had two characters ganked by them, in shuttles, with nothing offered, lol (was autopiloting, and they were non-implant clones so... *shrug*). I certainly admire them for doing something like that, at least. But still, blowing up empty shuttles hoping to get someones implants when you get their pod is "stupid". I don't mean that from a whiney or whatever perspective, I mean that you literally gain nothing in game.