EVE New Citizens Q&A

I see several comments that the Rokh has no damage bonus.

But, don't you realize that the optimal range bonus is a damage bonus? What it means is that you could use close-range ammo at medium ranges, or even use blasters instead of railguns. Caveat: I haven't flown it, but this is the very principle by which the Apocalypse becomes the best Amarr battleship for PVE.

Whenever anyone says "Rokh" by the way, I'm reminded of the "EVE Hell" video. Am I the only one? Link: http://youtu.be/DMLnUjNlRL0

I just want to reinforce here that focusing on Caldari and hybrids is a dead end and probably your least optimal combo in game. If you go this route the next best option for you to crosstrain when you realize you are out of options is Minmatar as your shield and generic gunnery skill will transfer over.

If you intend to stick with caldari be prepared to train missiles.

If you intend to stick with turrets go any other race than Caldari, but Minmatar or Amarr are more focused on turrets in general than Gallente. Amarr is probably the most turret focused race.

Another thing to take into consideration is look through the faction ships and see which seem to appeal to you and what skills they require you to crosstrain into. For example a Gallente Minmatar combo gets you access to Machariels and Vindicators which are both excellent incursion ships and the Machariel is probably one of the if not the best level 4 mission ship in game. One paper the Vindi looks good for level 4's also. Along those lines the Vargur and Kronos are both great level 4 mission running marauders.

I want to back up what Rex said here and agree with him.

What ever route you go will have use for the skills that you train in the future. No matter what you do you will almost certainly be needing it all and none of it will go to waste. If you want to focus on the level 4 Rokh go right ahead. If you decide you want to fly other ships in the future which you will then you will crosstrain which you will as everyone does.

Only issue:

There is no end-game ship other then what YOU make your end game.


But agreed, if you use a MJD with rails and you have tracking issues...then you should learn how to use the setup ASAP as it should not be an issue.

Thanks to everyone who has put forward their advice! One of the really great things (and also most daunting to a new player) is the sheer amount of options out there for every role that you could imagine. I am slowly learning though, and based on the stuff I have read here, and the rest of the forums I am starting to get a grasp on the ships, their roles and how the skills you train for a ship translates to the ships of other races.

I am going on holiday next week for an unknown period of time, so I have set my character to train drone skills as well as some support skills that have been recommended to me. I have already done many missions, and I am only a few away from unlocking level 4 missions.

When my skills are ready to get into a Battleship, I intend to get myself a Dominix for now. From there the opportunities is many, and the Dominix is merely a stepping stone that would get me there.

Thanks again for reading and all the comments.

Excuse me but, does the Mega or Hyperion have its own song dedicated to it? Do they?

Didn't think so

I'm in a Rokh, baby

I stand corrected....

IT HAS TWO SONGS DEDICATED TO IT

Sorry folks both the Hyperion and the Rohk suck as missioning ships. Don't use Rails/Blasters for mission running. They are subpar in dps, and can't switch damage types. Being able to switch damage types to the weak spot of a given mission is extremely important. If you use rails and lasers you are restricting yourself to a very limit set of areas you can rat and mission.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/NPC_Damage_Types

What you should do is either go missiles starting with a and going to a Drake then a Tengu or Raven. Or stay with rails, but skill up ‎Gallente and drones with an eye towards sentry drones.


All of the above said the Hyperion and the Rohk are fine in Incursions as the Sasha in them omni-tank like the sleepers. Missiles are not well liked as they take time to reach target, which is a major issue in large fleets. If incursions are your end goal I'd look at either going Gallente and projectiles or Minmatar, rails, and drones. With an eye to end up in a Maelstrom, Tempest Fleet Issue, or Megathron Navy Issue. Just keep in mind Incursions are a long way away, and you'll be doing L4 and rat for a long time before you can join an Incursion fleet.

I mostly kill Sansha rats in a Domi with Curator IIs and used to use rails. I recently switched to beams which I did not do for the longest time since due to the higher fitting requirement I had to go with the smallest of the large beams and on paper it was a dps drop and increased load on my capacitor. So when I did go from the higher DPS kinetic / therm based rails to the lower dps EM / based lazors I noticed about a 3 million isk increase in my bounty ticks.

So if you are shooting at the same rats all the time and they have a high kinetic resists I would agree with you.

As you have already pointed out when running level 4 mission you don't always get the same rats. However you do know which rats you will mostly get. So when I used to run missions in Caldari space most of my missions were against either Guristas or Serpentis both of which Hybrids are ideal weapons to use. So if you were flying a lazor based platform in Caldari space that would suck but flying a railgun ship in caldari space is probably ideal.

If we look at projectiles while they do have ammo that deals primarily kinetic damage it's longer range lower dps so essentially you only have the 3 main damage types: therm with phased plasma, explosive with fusion and EM with the EMP rounds. So if you are in minmatar space and shooting at angels all day long the projectiles ships are best however projectile dps usually lags behind lazors and hybrids so anywhere that you'd be doing EM I found lazors to typically be better and both lazors and rails have therm for a secondary so the phased plasma is not a clear winner on those NPCs.

When we talk about missiles they typically lag behind turrets in dps and with the wasted volleys unless you are hyper vigilant on switching targets before they die you waste a lot of potential dps and the drake has a kinetic damage bonus without which it's damage is **** poor. So essentially the drake is pretty much kinetic damage only unless you don't have Caldari battlecruiser up very high then the drake just sucks period. I've heard the tengu is an awesome level 4 mission boat but I'd have to imagine all the T3 cruisers would be great for that. The Raven is a good level 4 boat (kind of hard to fit a decent tank last I flew one before the tiericide), the CNR and the Golem are awesome level 4 boats but so are most faction battleships and Marauders.

So I would say that if the OP is going to be missioning in Caldari space he'd likely do well to stick with a Caldari ship. Galentte with their hybrids and drones will do fine as well. He already said he was going to focus on the dominix for now which is probably the most versatile BS. The only problem you have with the Domi is the huge explosive hole that it has when you armor tank it.

Any way that you look at it I don't think that you can claim that there is any racial ship line nor any weapon system that is clearly better than any of the others at running missions in general. It seems mostly dependent on the space you are flying in and in null sec even more so.

P.S.
As far as the "you can't stop the Rokh" videos I like the one where the Rokh jumps into the belt and starts minning at the end but since minning BSs aren't a thing anymore I don't think new players would get the joke but iirc the Rokh used to be the best minning BS in game which is kind of relevant here because the joke back then was that it wasn't good for much else. From the discussion on this topic here it seems the only thing that has changed is that no one mines in BSs since the tiericide.