Warfare & Tactics

Yeah, I feel the Ops pain, but I don't really see where anything needs to be done about it. We, as Industrial players, already have the tools we need.

However, I do find the opinion of the full time PvP crowd as amusing, that we should "fight" or "hire mercenaries." Why? Do you have to go through heroic measures when you are under war dec? No? You just fly the same gun loaded warships you were flying before. Perhaps one that's a bit different... How do you think that ship came to be in your possession? Our tools of the trade are billion isk unarmed targets in space that, by design, have no weapons and the maneuverability of a beached whale. We are hopelessly, hilariously outgunned in anything close to a fair fight in our usual ships.

So when you war dec us, it's the equivalent of someone coming to you and saying... "We are at war! I get to fly whatever, and you have to fly a frigate." Don't like it? Tough, because all your usual ships? the ones you earn isk in doing missions and whatnot? Well they can't be used during the war." That would suck, wouldn't it?

So we Industrials have to be smarter. We can't form "Carebear Industrial Corps" like we would if this was World of Warcraft or something... we have to build organizations that cannot be war decced in a conventional manner. Clever use of one man corps, having a lot of our people remain in NPC corps, etc. It's a pain, and it means you can never build a large organization, but how big does an Industrial corp need to be? Here's an example: Red Frog. Good luck war deccing them. The transport vessels themselves are independents, not in "Red Frog" itself.

If you DON'T do that, and shoot bows and arrows against the lightning with the insistence that the world be made fair for you... you will quickly learn how heartless the galaxy of Eve can be. One of the things I hear a lot is how "bad" or "evil" people that prey on our unarmed ships are. No! If bears rip up your camp and eat your food, whose fault is it, the bears for wanting food, or yours for not anticipating it?" Crying to the ranger won't help you at all.

It basically comes down to this: wardecs will happen and it's part of the game. In return for not giving up ISK in NPC corp taxes, you're a valid target for wars. Don't want wars? Drop to an NPC corporation. Otherwise, the corp needs to form up together and get back at them.

Believe it or not, a majority of wardecs outside of mercenary corps are by single players or small groups, so in a way it's good practice.

OP answered his own question here!

Your "playstyle" is PVE, but what does that mean? Are you roleplaying a miner in a mining simulator and all you do is mine, dock, undock, mine, dock, undock, etc? Or are you roleplaying a miner in a sci-fi universe full of pirates, warriors, traders, and all other sorts of characters? You can still be a miner. (Or mission runner, or whatever.) No one is saying you shouldn't be a miner.

But let's imagine, as a thought experiment, somebody makes a sci-fi movie about asteroid miners. If there was never any danger or drama, and the miners never needed any skill or luck, it'd be a lame movie. If you wanted people to buy tickets, you'd probably open with a scene of the miners under attack by pirates and warping away at just the last moment. Then after some character development you'd probably introduce a large-scale problem: maybe an impending war means the whole mining fleet needs to move to another part of the galaxy, and the gates are camped, so perhaps they have to sneak out via random wormhole. The main character may be the rookie miner who has to learn a new job, as fleet scout. There'd be excitement and danger and close escapes and a happy ending. But it would still be a movie about miners in space.

This is what EVE offers to people who choose the PVE playstyle. Embrace it!

The same thing here has happened to my Main's corp, got war dec'd by a small but experienced corp for no other reason than to be annoying, their is already players wanting to leave we dont have pvp skills, its easy enough to say get a thrasher fit out cheap and fight back but a group of unskilled industrial pilots in thrashers with very little pvp experience wouldnt stand a chance against the 4 T3's we had camping the station last night, basically the corp has gone into hibernbation we cant undock without being attacked we cant fight back to any level of effectivness, we have no friends we can ask for help so our only option is to either leave corp or not play for a week....

They wont come to an agreement they just want to destoy our corp that is their only aim (as shown by previous corps they have attacked/destoyed.... they see us a small easy target ( which to them we are) how do we fight back against skilled T2/T3 pilots when we can barely fly thrashers effectively?

Now everyone in the corp pays for their characters and thats now 1 week where we are paying for something we cannot use, we didnt ask for the war and we have to suffer because of it?

I understand eve is a PvP game but its also a sandbox, many situations we are prepared for like gankers and going into low sec we know how to do our best here but we have absolutly no chance of doing anything with 4-5 players outside the station hunting us..... also they have out of corp logi with them... what do we do against that even if we did decide to fight (lose) they just rep them up we cant hit them without concord interveening.

im sure alot of people disagree but it is a bad mechanic and unfair on small industrial corps and new players,

* sorry about the spelling.

If you live near a faction warfare warzone then contact an established FW corp. FW corps burn through ships at a rapid pace and may be interested in having neutral high sec Indy corps willing to build them ships and T2 mods in bulk at a discounted rate. If you get war devices and harassed let your client know and they will have a vested interest in helping out.

I guarantee that a dozen faction warfare veterans in T1 Frigate hulls will do more damage then 20 industrialists in Thrashers! I imagine it is not fun for a high sec war deccer to have 3rd parties show up in cheap ships that can kill their cynobals and are not afraid of dieing and have almost limitless reships waiting!

Here's a thought. Move your corp to lowsec, join the faction wars, and pvp until you get good. Move back to highsec after leaving faction war, and have the knowledge and skills to deal with these carebear "pirates".

Also, OP, my 2 bits:

Just because you choose to be a victim doesn't mean the rest of us are obliged not to mess with you.

Deal with it.

AKA HTFU.

Actually, he probably just docked up for the duration.