EVE General Discussion

I do love reading threads like these.

They are definitely full of a salt like liquid coming from the eyes.

I won't lie to you, I'd pretty much given up hope

Actually, most corps implement a minimum SP barrier to make sure they don't have to deal with newbies being newbies — they have no interest in teaching them the basics and requiring a couple of months under the wings of a new prospect means they get someone who has a higher chance of being self-sufficient already.

SP barriers don't help against awoxing since awoxing is not a matter of character age. Nor does diligent corp security through mechanics help — what helps is diligent corp security through proper knowledge management. This is why it was rather beneficial from an NPE perspective to have bad corps being filtered out: the ones that relied on the former rather than the latter would be hit and would close up, meaning their lacking ability was willingly kept away from the newbies.


They always could. The only difference is that more corps now have the potential of being implicit tax slumlords, still with no benefit to the new players.

No.
Before, it took X catalysts, a bumper, (preferably) a cleaner, and a hauler to kill and loot a freighter.
With this tactic, it takes X+ catalysts, a delivery vehicle, a bumper, (preferably) a cleaner, and a hauler to kill and loot a freighter.

The added delivery vehicle is perhaps not that much at risk, but you never know when some evil ganker might pass by and say “hey, I'd like to kill me one of those”. So that's already more risk right there, if minimal. Then there's the fact that you don't deliver damage in parallel but in series, meaning more HP to chew through, more ships required to do so, and the potential for some nasty evil white knight to come along and kick that HP back up, again raising the cost.

I know the difference between “cost” and “cut”. You don't. So shush.

Really? That's news to me. So how many accounts do I play EVE on, because it looks like I need to start looking for the other ones.

Well you failed first pass.

However I'm extremely happy that CCP finally gave some approval to solo game play. You've been ******* over the solo players for months now.

This is done with three account, not with three people.

What are you, baka-stupid or something? Does your brain really not process the difference between having to split a take and the profitability of an activity?


The fact that you're using an already GCC-flagged character means that CONCORD responds quicker, giving each ship less time to act on the field. This means you need to use more Catalysts, not less.


The strength and efficiency of CONCORD has been going up in iterations ever since they day they made it immune to player damage.



Good.

It's no different than any other suicide ganking strategy: it works everywhere, but the higher you go, the tighter your margins become and the less time you have actually delivering damage on target. The downtime between each pass is fairly constant, so the higher the sec rating, the lower your ratio of attack vs restock time goes, and the longer the gank will take — longer obviously meaning more opportunity for things to go wrong (not to mention that 0.7 systems and up tend to have more natural avenues of escape or of simply circumnavigating the gank).

It “only works” in 0.5 and 0.6, the same as most ganks really, because above that it just becomes too prolonged, cumbersome, and risky a procedure to be of any value.

…well, aside from warping off or disabling the ganker, that is. Logging of certainly won't help, but then, that was never a particularly good idea when you're under attack so no difference there either. Log-off escapes were effectively eradicated as part of normal gameplay two years ago.

Jollyjabbing doesn't last in low or null for the simple reason that the entire setup — every last detail of it — is 100% unnecessary. You can just kill the target outright and be on your way. It is the vastly higher safety of highsec that requires the entire rigamarole to be effected.

The fact that -10s can live in highsec and make a profit is entirely intentional and carefully thought through. It is horribly bad game design — doubly so in a sandbox — to arbitrarily lock off players from gameplay, or worse entire parts of the game. That's why it is left up to the players to decide how much freedom these characters are allowed.

That's very easy: go look up the CrimeWatch dev blog, and then google for CONCORD response times. It has all been deconstructed down to the last detail. The iteration pattern is also very easy to spot: CONCORD has only ever become faster and strong, and timers more harsh and restrictive.

When can we expect haulers to hire protection? Like play the game and not have CCP play it for them.

Not really, no, since you claimed that the costs will magically go down just because of a GM statement. That is pretty much the opposite of being right.

In reality, costs remain the same or go up ever so slightly because the cost lies in the ships being lost, and that number will only go up.

That stays the same too, you know, for pretty much the exact same reason.

Before, you had to deliver, say, 200k damage using 400-DPS ships, meaning you needed 500 damage-seconds for the target to go down. Since you didn't have 500 seconds in one go, you had to cut it up among 20 ships doing it in parallel. You then docked up and had a sandwich while the scooper picked the loot apart and the timers counted down.

Now, you have to deliver, say, 2000k damage using 400-DPS ships, meaning you need 500 damage-seconds for the target to go down. Since you don't have 500 seconds in one go, you have to cut it up among 20 ships doing it in series. You then dock up and have a sandwich while the scooper picks the loot apart and the timer counts down.

500 seconds of work is 500 seconds of work. Again, if anything, the total time spent has gone up because you are far more restricted in the number of viable targets so you have to spend more waste time finding one that will work for you.

Time spent having fun on jabber because nothing else of importance is going on is not really a cost.