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Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#41 - 2011-12-19 23:17:19 UTC
Yay! One of us! One of us!
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#42 - 2011-12-19 23:18:35 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:

The witch Underking has proven in word and action that she is an enemy of the Empire.
I will work to destroy her.


If you come anywhere near her with ill intent, I promise that I will blow you out of the sky.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#43 - 2011-12-19 23:27:35 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
But no-one said doing the right thing was easy, and if you can accomplish what you've set out to do despite that adversity, reaching the end of your journey will be all the more rewarding.


Doing the right thing is not easy, but I have always been a strong person.

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
No matter what flag you fly under, even if it is one I fly against... I wish you luck.

Fly safe.


Thank you, Miss Oniseki.

ValentinaDLM wrote:
I wish you the best of luck with this choice, I think you made the right choice too. I admire your dedication to your ideals over corporation or nation. Truly you are a strong person in order to do that.


Thank you, Miss Valentina.

Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Conventia Underking has proven herself on multiple occasions. What she did took courage, and while it may seem strange for a Matari to say this about an Amarrian, I am proud to fly at her side.


Thank you, Miss Stjerna. I am also proud to fly at your side.

Ugleb wrote:
While I can congratulate you on your decision to take arms against the Empire, I must caution you on your adherence to the very religion that brought that Empire to darken the skies of my homeworld in the first place. Many of us do not trust any who would preach its tenets, and some will not welcome you.

You should continue to consider your both your words and actions with care as you walk among us.


I will be sure to remember that. Thank you for your concern.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2011-12-19 23:29:30 UTC
Alistair Cononach wrote:
Just as true Faith can never be found in the sharp end of a Vitoc Needle, true change can never be brought to the Amarrian culture at the barrel-end of an Autocannon Turret.

The cause of ending Amarrian Slavery is one worth persuit.

However, you will never have a meaningful part in making that change happen from the outside, as a member of a violent paramillitary organization.

Change will come to Amarr, and it will come from within.

Of that, we can be certain. The only question is one of time.

But people who wage War on Amarr do more to serve the old pro-slavery hardliners than they do the modern liberal Amarrians cause.

Every Slave Ship you kill, every Amarrian Transport destroyed, serves only as grist to the Amarrian Establishment that the Matari are still savage, brutal killers who need to be brought to heel in the Faith.

Slavery will end, and it will end diplomaticly and culturally.

it will never end by the gun.


We do not attack arbitrary Amarrians on their way to school or work, we attack those actively involved in military pursuits.

Manwe Todako wrote:
I pray and hope that the actions of Conventia Underking will serve to motivate an anti-slavery Monotheism in our cluster. One can hope that a theology of hope, freedom, and mercy will overtake the theology that has justified slavery for centuries. Pagans and Monotheists need not be on the same theological page, but both belief systems can strongly agree to oppose and end slavery.

Blessings be upon you, Ms. Underking and may you find strong family in the abolitionist community.


This stance may be controversial, but I do not oppose slavery. Nor do I endorse it. But I do feel that the Empire currently allows injustices to occur which should not, ever happen.

Thgil Goldcore wrote:
Underking, I can hardly believe this at all. You of all people, whom I considered my friend, you never told me a thing. You could have at least told me WHY. But I suppose heresy would be a rather large pill to chew.

Our former friendship aside, this is just an affront to God, the Empire, and even a personal loss for me. It will not go unpunished and I will not hesitate to crush you or your new terrorist friends. You know perfectly well that you no longer serve God and anything you say to the contrary is nothing more than lies, and you know it! Calling your new friends 'shaman,' as if that meant something.


There are always casualties in every meaningful choice. It is unfortunate that you happened to be one in this choice. If you ever wish to understand more, I am sure you know how to contact me.

Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Oh, I don't know -- we could use a new pinata.

Captain Goldcore, I'll accept your implicit challenge. You think you can 'crush' us?

Bring...it...on.


I would prefer to avoid making Initiate Goldcore a pinata, it is unbecoming, of her and us. On the other hand, I look forward to seeing her in space.

Edaine Numenor wrote:
Ms. Goldcore,

I understand that you feel hurt, but perhaps you have been hasty to make such a strong statement publicly. I personally saw Ms. Underking in the Taberna Lunae last night. She was alone and the only other patron in the bar was me. I believe that she was looking for you. That would only make sense. But, now that you have spoken such hard words and promised violence, it is doubtful that she may seek you out. Is it not also the height of hubris to claim that only those who accept the Amarr system of religion serve God?

Before coming at your friend with guns blazing, perhaps you ought to renew the offer to sit down with her over a bottle of your family's famous spiced wine and have a conversation. You once told a friend of mine that he needed to have an open mind to your view. Are you having an open mind to her view now? Do you really judge her sincerity? I would hate to see you lose a valuable relationship over a hasty reaction to an unexpected turn of events.


This does seem to be wise advice, Initiate Goldcore.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#45 - 2011-12-19 23:33:31 UTC
Aphoxema G wrote:
Wait, wait... it worked once, maybe it'll work again.

Thgil Goldcore... join us.


Aphoxema, I thought we had talked about this...

Thgil Goldcore wrote:
[While I appreciate the attempt at serving as a moderator Mr. Numenor, but high treason is no small matter, or simple misunderstanding. It's not like we can have a simple glass of wine, talk it over, have some laughs, and go back to how they where. This relationship ended the moment she decided to start shooting at my friends and empire. I will not hesitate to end an enemy to the Empire.

This is really a simple matter:
It is my duty to destroy enemies of the Empire.
The witch Underking has proven in word and action that she is an enemy of the Empire.
I will work to destroy her.

I weep for her family.


Witch seems a bit harsh, don't you think? You seem upset and rightfully so, though I fail to see how taking it out on me will benefit anyone.

Kazzzi wrote:
Yay! One of us! One of us!


Thank you, Mr Kazzzi, I think...

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#46 - 2011-12-19 23:57:02 UTC
How sweet! A declaration about your feelings! I didn’t know you, but now I am disgusted by you, Underking—not so much for leaving PIE, but definitely about your cozy mawkishness and calling that pathetic she-has-made-her-free-decision-let’s-be-happy ***** “Shaman”. What comes next? A creamy charity love song for mother earth and handicapped Jin Mei children? Your language is soft and languid. You betrayed your Khanid ancestry.

Manwe Todako wrote:
I pray and hope that the actions of Conventia Underking will serve to motivate an anti-slavery Monotheism in our cluster. One can hope that a theology of hope, freedom, and mercy will overtake the theology that has justified slavery for centuries. Pagans and Monotheists need not be on the same theological page, but both belief systems can strongly agree to oppose and end slavery.
You are a very funny man!

Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Thgil Goldcore wrote:

The witch Underking has proven in word and action that she is an enemy of the Empire.
I will work to destroy her.
If you come anywhere near her with ill intent, I promise that I will blow you out of the sky.


Add me to this list. And a little reminder: isn’t that what you should do anyway? Does Emergency Militia War Powers Act ring a bell?

Love, whatever,
Odelya d'Hanguest
Exalted Cherry Blossom etc.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#47 - 2011-12-20 00:01:01 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
A creamy charity love song for mother earth and handicapped Jin Mei children?


Ooh, great idea, need a lyric writer?

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2011-12-20 00:02:57 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
A creamy...


I was under the impression that your experience with cream was of another variety, but I suppose you get around a lot, don't you?

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#49 - 2011-12-20 00:12:25 UTC
Conventia Underking wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
A creamy...


I was under the impression that your experience with cream was of another variety, but I suppose you get around a lot, don't you?


A severe burn, I fear first aid might be required.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#50 - 2011-12-20 00:14:04 UTC
Conventia Underking wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
A creamy...

I was under the impression that your experience with cream was of another variety, but I suppose you get around a lot, don't you?


*Astrid looks shocked for a minute and then starts to cheer and pump her hand in the air*

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#51 - 2011-12-20 00:23:29 UTC
A bit late to the party, but I welcome Conventia Underking and her wonderful sense of humor!
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#52 - 2011-12-20 00:29:05 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Conventia Underking wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
A creamy...


I was under the impression that your experience with cream was of another variety, but I suppose you get around a lot, don't you?


A severe burn, I fear first aid might be required.



I believe they make a cream for that as well.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2011-12-20 00:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Khazarn Areth
I think the quality of the arguments presented here has run out a little....

Still quite amusing regardless, back on topic though will Ms. Underking be allowed a frontline role straight away or will it be something along the lines of a logistical position for a while?
Im curious as to how you handle these kinds of issues.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#54 - 2011-12-20 01:04:05 UTC
Aphoxema G wrote:


It'll be a while before I bring her to my dinner parties. You know, after I start having dinner parties. I mean, unless it takes me a while to start going to dinner parties, then for all I know we'll go for the first time together.

... I am so throwing a party.



When you do, you should totally invite me, I can even bring a dish.....I am a good cook I really am....There are reasons, to invite me!

But seriously, I love dinner parties. I would love to be invited to one, or any party where no one wanted to hurt me for that matter.
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#55 - 2011-12-20 02:02:32 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Aphoxema G wrote:


It'll be a while before I bring her to my dinner parties. You know, after I start having dinner parties. I mean, unless it takes me a while to start going to dinner parties, then for all I know we'll go for the first time together.

... I am so throwing a party.



When you do, you should totally invite me, I can even bring a dish.....I am a good cook I really am....There are reasons, to invite me!

But seriously, I love dinner parties. I would love to be invited to one, or any party where no one wanted to hurt me for that matter.


I hate to admit it but I'd probably take your protection more seriously than I do my own. I mean, if I get assassinated then it's pretty bad for me. If I lost my chance to throw a second party... well, that would just be a tragedy.
Bob McGenericname
Bob's Boutique Tax Avoidance Corp
#56 - 2011-12-20 02:08:48 UTC
Khazarn Areth wrote:
I think the quality of the arguments presented here has run out a little....

Still quite amusing regardless, back on topic though will Ms. Underking be allowed a frontline role straight away or will it be something along the lines of a logistical position for a while?
Im curious as to how you handle these kinds of issues.


Whilst I can't speak for Teraa Matar, the TLF seems to be fairly abiding for pilots who have jumped the fence, especially given that I've done it twice. Excluding a pilot from front line duty on the grounds of a percieved disloyalty is only going to end up engendering disloyalty.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#57 - 2011-12-20 02:29:24 UTC
I am touched. Someone thinks I'm a *****!

I feel like writing a song... maybe a happy, eco-friendly children's song!

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2011-12-20 08:59:24 UTC
Conventia Underking wrote:
As some of you may have noticed, I recently left PIE Inc. and joined Teraa Matar. I would like to publicly pledge my allegiance to Avlynka Surionen, her corporation, Teraa Matar and her cause, ending the destruction of the Matari people.

I still believe in God and I will continue to spread His word and wisdom to those who are willing to listen. But I will no longer watch as people are humiliated and reduced to drug addicted, shells of their former selves. My family owns slaves, though I do not and they are treated with the same dignity and respect that we afford anyone else under our employ. I know that there are many good Holders out there, but as long as the Empire allows the mass abuse of slaves, I cannot support it, as sad as that makes me.

For more information, please read about the Vitoc Problem.

And I still believe in wisdom of Empress. I believe she will end what she has started and will bring the solution to this little slavery problem. But it won't come easy, someones think slavery is disgusting, someones think it is obsolete, someones think it is inefficient, and someones think it is their birthright and tradition. It is in everyone's interest to solve this without tearing the Empire apart. Well, in everyone's except you. Correct me, if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you would prefer to have the Empire in ruins only to get rid of this minor insignificant problem named slavery.

I am not Amarr, I don't understand all the ways of Amarr yet, and moreover, I will never be accepted by your people as equal. However, I will fight for the Empire while Her Majesty will allow us to, and will put my life on the line to protect ideals and interests that our State share with the Empire. The ideals that you have betrayed, as you have betrayed your state, your ruler and your kin.

I respect my enemies as warriors, but I will never respect traitors. With greater pleasure I will dissipate into the void of space all this filth that gallente-driven minmatar propaganda have implanted into your head.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#59 - 2011-12-20 09:21:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
And I still believe in wisdom of Empress. I believe she will end what she has started and will bring the solution to this little slavery problem. But it won't come easy, someones think slavery is disgusting, someones think it is obsolete, someones think it is inefficient, and someones think it is their birthright and tradition. It is in everyone's interest to solve this without tearing the Empire apart. Well, in everyone's except you. Correct me, if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you would prefer to have the Empire in ruins only to get rid of this minor insignificant problem named slavery.

I am not Amarr, I don't understand all the ways of Amarr yet, and moreover, I will never be accepted by your people as equal. However, I will fight for the Empire while Her Majesty will allow us to, and will put my life on the line to protect ideals and interests that our State share with the Empire. The ideals that you have betrayed, as you have betrayed your state, your ruler and your kin.

I respect my enemies as warriors, but I will never respect traitors. With greater pleasure I will dissipate into the void of space all this filth that gallente-driven minmatar propaganda have implanted into your head.


It would seem that you weren't listening. Ultimately, it seems that both sides have people who are unable to do anything but see their own view of the world.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#60 - 2011-12-20 09:27:31 UTC
So what exactly did I miss?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.