EVE General Discussion

For the first time I'm thinking about letting my subscription lapse. Just one more tool in the griefers box. Fit for tank and watch it just get whittled down unable to warp because of a bumping mach. This game just gets ridiculous the way the scales are tipped towards the griefers. I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually hoping one of these other space games in development pan out. I just want a game. Not a multiple alts logged in chore, when it comes to moving stuff.

Plenty of awoxers were QQ over the friendly fire changes to the point of threatening to quit. Guess they should stay the hell out as well by your thinking.

And while gankers always turn to the "perfect safety" refrain whenever carebears complain about poorly implemented mechanics like machariel bumping neutral tackle in hs, they never seem to push for some truly radical forced risk taking like making station traders' inventories gankable. Talk about making money hand over fist in perfect safety.

If they actually quit over the propsed idea, then yeah, I say GTFO. The proposal adds a layer of difficulty to awoxing and, while I do not like the idea of removing risk in any way, I do like the idea of adding new challenges to playstyles. Anyone who quits because things get "too hard", I'm fine without them.

Not being able to fly through any .5 or .6 system in an entire class of ships because any bored multiboxer can blow up your ship with impunity while expending a fraction of the isk sounds like the deletion of a playstyle to me. There's a point where the effort vs reward equation of a scenario shifts so far into one direction that it might as well be the deletion of a playstyle. Awoxers can still con their way into directorship and turn off the corp safety while convincing the rest of the corp that it's business as usual. If despite this awoxers think the safety changes still amount to deleting a playstyle because doing that is too hard or not worth the effort, then I don't see how the exact same argument can't also apply to hyperdunking as the de facto deleting of interhub hauling as a gameplay style because now it's too hard or not worth the effort.


Neither of us know of the technical viability of altering hitbox behavior in highsec. And besides, "can't be done" is not the same as "shouldn't be done." A full overhaul of the POS code probably can't be done right now due to technical and resource constraints, but it's still something that should be worked on so it gets done eventually.


What is and isn't broken is a matter of perspective. Being able to make trillions while having all your assets protected by the equivalent of an impenetrable forcefield with infinite hitpoints at all times looks pretty broken when compared to every other activity that requires you to risk putting assets into space in order to make money.

CCP, thank you for maintaining consistency in this matter. Your transparency is also greatly appreciated. The next step is to stop preemptive blanket bans for grey area incidents which garner the attention of the Eve Online community at large. While I think everyone who has played the game knows that some players have a tendency to skirt the very limit of allowable gameplay and there's a legitimate fear to declaring precisely what you may not do - I believe posts like this stating exactly what is allowable add a great degree of clarity to the ToS and EULA and benefit your player base greatly. Thank you again.

You may fat finger all your bumps to the point that you can only ever manange to bump an afker, but people who know what they're doing are fully capable of keeping an atk hauler permanently neutral tackled.



You can still manipulate people into staying by convincing them that despite the warning message it's still business as usual and they have nothing to worry about. Isn't awoxing all about deception and engendering trust. Are you saying doing that is is now too hard, or not worth the effort?




I also play this game, just like you. There have been plenty of things that people thought could never get fixed, right up to the moment that CCP fixed them. Unless you have some actual experience debugging a two decade old, underwater simulation physics model being press ganged into service as an MMO, I'd appreciate it if you would stop shouting "the computer code is too hard!" without giving any demonstration as to how.


I'm not saying it's too easy, but that it's too safe. If I posted a screenshot of my current Jita inventory, can you gank it within a week's time?

You don't actually know how this works, do you? The bumper has to keep the target tackled close to where the Catalyts are being dropped, thanks to their extreme low range.




Ha ha, no.




Well, that, and CCP has outright admitted it several times. They can't change the POS code, they can't change the physics engine for the most part, and they can't change the corp/alliance interactions.

Honestly we were lucky they were able to give us the new gate warping animation instead of the old load screen.



People can go and wreck your economy if they know what it is, yeah. Are you saying that market PvP isn't a thing? Because if you take a look around, I think you'll find that it is.

(also, I can gank your haulers when you try and move inventory if I know who you are, unless you are actually telling me that you just sit and flip in Jita all day, in which case I'll ask you why you pay for a sub in the first place)

The game would be better off with one less person who thinks anyone who opposes them is a griefer.


If the play required of a freighter pilot to be safe(r) is 'trivial and tedious', then perhaps the answer is to make safe travel less trivial, as opposed to making it even safer.

Kind of like how you don't solve being bored by doing less things.

As the self proclaimed best bumper in the game, I can tell you right now there are not a lot of good bumpers out there.

And then the game will die, and we'll all go play The Repopulation or Archeage or Dreadnaught or something.

If they want to make the final choice to ruin the game and irrevocably **** off their core playerbase, that's their problem. If they haven't learned their lesson by now, they never will, and nothing I say will fix their attitude.