EVE General Discussion

All of which mean precisely zip. A disposable ship, sec status which does absolutely nothing beyond not allow you to fly non-gank ships without risking their loss (which a ganker alt does not need to fly) and killrights which are irrelevant as you're usually attackable anyway, and you are still flying a disposable ship you don't care about.

So let me get this straight, you don't feel that people should take responsibility for the choices they make?

*My post was changed prior to your post being made according to the timestamps, edited your quote to reflect that

I won't even bother asking you to prove this, you'll just evade the question. BTW the past 5 years of mechanics changes contradicts your claim of the balance being in the gankers favour, they've received far more nerfs than they have buffs, the inverse is true of "carebears".

It is a fairly level playing field if you choose to take advantage of all of the tools you're given to use.

Gankers use every tool at their disposal because they have to, most of their victims don't because they're complacent, lazy or uninformed.

Tell your puppet master that I am thinking too. I want to fit a MJD on a Bowhead so it can jump away 100 km without aligning, thus anyone who wants to gank it will need to sacrifice several pointers and not just DPS ships. Still would be a massive tradeoff in value in favor of the PvPrs, though.

But, for some unknown reason, I can't fit a MJD in a Bowhead. Guess WHO causes that. My lack of intelligence? Or CCP's unlimited love for whatever exits the rectum of PvPrs?

It is balanced. Their failure to play the game correctly does not equate to a mechanical imbalance, what's more.

If you play the game correctly, you are all but invincible.

If losing your ship means precisely zip, then why are your panties so bunched over ships being lost as targets of suicide ganks? Meaning is assigned by the players. Most players do not suicide gank because the consequences, which they find meaningful, deter them. Others have planned for the consequences and deemed them acceptable.

Working as intended, so sorry for you, but your original statement is that there are no consequences. There clearly are, as you just admitted - but now you're trying to qualify them as "meaningful" or not.

No, I think players should be responsible for their choices, I just don't think that things should be left easy and cheap for the people preying on the terrible players purely because those players are terrible. Perhaps the game isn't intuitive enough, or perhaps it's not clear enough how to avoid a gank, or perhaps ganking mechanics themselves are too weighted in favour of the aggressor. Perhaps all of those, perhaps none of them. The result is the same though. A young character ganking can be very profitable even with a relatively low level of skill.

Well for starters you can listen to Sabriz talking about his campaign. A lot of that is geared towards either punishing people for not putting themselves in the line of fire from gankers or rewarding them for putting themselves in the line of fire from gankers even though they lack the skill to go up against veteran players ganking.

And yes, I've heard the whole "ganking got super nerfed!" multiple times before, but I've ganked before and I've ganked recently and it's considerably easier to do now. Perhaps that's purely because the science behind it has been tried and tested so much more now that everything is refined down to perfection so even in the face of negative changes it's excelled, but again the result is the same.

Not really. In any situation I'd rather be the ganker than the target. Far more opportunities for success and far more entertaining gameplay. Slowboating a freighter 20 jumps only to get bumped for three quarters of an hour while waiting for a gank fleet? I'd self destruct by the time they got there. I used to do freighter escorts a long time back, and they were painful. Sod that, red frog can do it. They may just AFK everything from A to B but at least they pay for it when they get toasted and I don't have to watch.

You mean like how Red Frog uses multiple alts and extra contracts to shield the contents of their cargo? Or how people haul with neutral alts to hide? Or how station traders never really undock and can't be touched? Or how half the game scouts with neutral alts?

Alts exist, Lucas. Deal with it. If you want to tilt that windmill, this is the wrong thread for it.

I agree with a great deal of this. Eve can be a cryptic game, and that can get you killed. Finding info isn't always straightforward, and lots of times what you do find is out of date. (Ironically, some of the efforts CCP is undertaking to make the game less cryptic contributes to the 'out of date' problem.) This game is much harsher than other multiplayer games.

I'm all in favor of making gameplay clearer. I'm all in favor of making the game more intuitive. But even though I'm the prey and not the predator in this scenario, I don't think the ruling is unfair or game-breaking. And I don't have a problem with young characters being profitable/successful in ganking.

They're NOT being successful/profitable against the people who are taking precautions. IOW, If the lion cubs start soloing the biggest and strongest wildebeests then I'll agree with you that something is out of balance. But this doesn't seem like that, to me.

Wow, 'wildebeest' is not spelled 'wildebeast'... that just seems weird.

Evidently not, you called it victim blaming in this very thread, so which one of the following is true:

If I make bad choices about how I fit my ships and play the game, it's my responsibility when somebody else takes advantage of the choices I made?

If I make bad choices about how I fit my ships and play the game, it's not my responsibility when somebody else takes advantage of the choices I made?

So if I'm a terrible FPS player and playing an FPS, better players shouldn't shoot me in the face because I'm easy meat?

Only if their targets make terrible choices. There's that responsibility thing again

It's called politics, it's full of rhetoric and propaganda designed to stir up the masses, as with most political campaigns it's 99% bullshit and hot air.

By your own admission you never undock in hisec, so pray tell how do you know what hisec ganking currently involves?*

In before claims of a hisec alt that can't be revealed because of Opsec.

This seems wrong...another gamey tactic just like bumping, and CONCORD failing to act as a law enforcement agency would.