EVE General Discussion

So the first part basically means that the gank fails automatically because “blind luck” heavily favours the ECM ship. The second part basically means that the gank fails automatically, because now they have to spend a bunch of catalysts on trying (and most likely failing) to kill the ECM ship while the freighter gets away, everyone gets bored, and the session is called off for the night.

Of course, neither of those things will happen. What happens instead is that the mere presence of the ECM ship means the gankers now face a hard target, and choose to skip it. Mission kill = you win.

So in other words, there is a hard cap on the damage a ganker can output just as if it was a fleet attacking parallel, and unlike the fleet situation, it leaves plenty of gaps in that output where the damage done can be nullified or the ship just outright leave. This opens up new avenues of protecting or surviving the gank that are not available to a regular gank, and drastically reduces the sets of targets that become viable for the ganker. In other words, making yourself a non-target is easier than ever.

I use escorts when moving ships far less expensive than a filled freighter around in highsec.



This is a sensible ruling. There are *plenty* of countermeasures that can be taken to avoid being hyperdunked. Pro tip: If Uedama has had 120 kills in the last hour and you are in a freighter with ten billion in loot, you probably should go the alternate route through quiet lowsec with a small combat escort fleet (2-3 EWAR or damage ships, a Daredevil to web you, and a scout). Even if you derp and go into Uedama, a single friend in an interceptor or even t1 frigate can get you out of a hyperdunk in progress (or any other gank that takes more than a minute).


Freighters are not a ship designed for solo play any more than Dreadnoughts are.

Again, so what if they are? And yes, the victim is to blame for making themselves a profitable target — so what? It is not “a fact” that it is easy to gank miners profitably any more than it is a fact that it is very hard to gank them profitably. It is something that is wholly contextual and reliant on the choice of the specific miner. If they choose to make it easy, then so be it.

And it does matter whether it's the miners or the mechanics' fault, because that's what decides what needs to be fixed. If it's the former (hint: it is), changing the latter will never help unless you utterly break the balance of the game.

Why should it matter in the slightest?

Sure, being propaganda doesn't necessary alter how true it is, but it heavily puts into doubt that it's actually true to being with.

I dont understand why people are arguing. The game developer says its legal, so its legal.

Now HTFU and stop afking

Also, Tippia, you are officially my second favorite person in this thread. (right after CCP falcon of course for breaking the news!) I keep thinking I'll have to respond to Lucas, but every one of your posts have been well reasoned and to the point.

You should try other methods of interdicting bump-ganks than logi. I know of two effective ones and a cunning player can no doubt think of more. Neither can be done solo by the freighter pilot, of course, but that's fine because the freighter is not a ship suitable for solo play.

Common Lucas you are better than this. Which is it solo or 3?

That entirely depends on your definition of solo. I would generally take "solo" to mean 1 physical player.

I've never been involved in a single hyperdunk. I do, however, understand the mechanics well. (I guess my side 'playstyle' of trading does benefit from a reduction in the capacity to move goods around highsec though - if that is what you are referring to. Higher margins, even if I do have to pay more to courier services).

A freighter pilot + an alt in an interceptor have tactics available to counter the bowhead, Machariel + the few Catalyst alts needed for an effective hyperdunk. A freighter pilot with about 6 alts in (ship redacted for #OPSEC reasons) can counter it even more effectively. If a GM or CCP employee wants these tactics explained, EVEmail me and I'll clarify them to you.

Every hyperdunk configuration I can think of can be countered by a smaller number of accounts than they take to perform and a comparable number of actual players.

No, it wasn't designed to be solo play. Someone found a system to do it with a series of alts, (four minimum to be exact) and figured out how to bump a freighter back within 3km of a specific point in space over and over. Guess what, that isn't easy in the slightest. There's a reason that globby is ganking with other people in most cases. What this has done is dropped the theoretical minimum from 8* characters down to 4** at the cost of requiring much more skill from the bumper. The exception of course is if the target logs off, but I have difficulty accepting any argument that an agressed target should be safe when logged off. Also, this tactic is extremely vulnerable to white knight strategies. Even one character that can fly a catalyst can hop in the gank ships and fly off with them.

* 6 Talos pilots, 1 Bumper, 1 Neutral Agressor
** 1 Ganker, 1 Bumper, 1 Orca/Bowhead pilot, 1 Neutral agressor