Player Features and Ideas Discussion

sooo the afs that are left that can do the dps necessary for fighting cruisers and BCs don't have a third mid slot. If they got a third mid-slot they would be overpowered. The issue is that the wolf, enyo, and other faction frigs that have the dps dont have the third mid for the booster and if they do that ship might be shield tanked anyway.

A cap-booster is a good item for counterin nuets, its not feasible to fit them on AFs. Thats the point im trying to convey to u.

Not feasible to fit on two out of eight assault frigates. Said ships trading the mid for additional tank and damage.
You really don't seem to get the concept of "tradeoff" - I.E a ship sacrificing one benefit for another.


Umm, what? The only faction frigate that lacks a third mid is the Slicer, which flies out of medium neut range anyway.

Oh and by the way it's "you", not "u".

Also:, history lesson for the illiterate newbie: once upon a time, all webs were 90% strength. Frigates that flew into this zone were dead on the spot. Then came the nerf, reducing web effectiveness and leaving neuts as the only viable counter.
Obsolete those, and it becomes pointless to fly cruisers and BCs.

"Are", not "r".


... You do know what viable means, right?


And where exactly did you read that frigates were specifically designed to combat battlecruisers?

By the way, if your frigate gang can't engage a Hurricane and win, then your FC and fleet composition suck. Simple as. And yes, I'm picking out the Hurricane because that's the ship you keep referencing - being the only thing smaller than a battleship that can realistically mount 2 medium neuts*.

It's worth mentioning that while the hurricane is rather good at fending off frigates, it's not that impressive vs other battlecruisers. This is the "tradeoff" thing I mentioned that you seem too stupid to understand.

*Besides the Arbitrator, but that's not exactly hard to deal with for a gang.

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Also, I'm going to assume you've never been a carrier pilot, as neuting interceptors/damiels/whatever to a standstill is the only workable defense against them when tackled.

Once more, system is working as intended.

This isnt a whine and beg thread. Its a post i made to examine the strength of oversized neuts against small hulls.

Its tru some Ewar from the frigate side would b beneficial and a comp designed specifically for going after BSs and BCs would b beneficial. However its not a matter of comp. Someone earlier mentioned that if ur in a carrier and u get pointed by a frigate nuets are the only defense against them. I disagree, if a single module can completely stop a ship whose sole purpose is to tackle other larger ships then what was the point of having the ship for tackle unless you use a larger hull. The defense for the carrier are other small hulls to defend the carrier. Not having an end all zap button.

try running something called a point. Official name is Warp Disruptor. May have heard of it...its been around a few patches lol. New techoinolgy that prevents warp out to 24 km's. Save you doing the look up, thats almost 12 km's more than the range of either med neut or nos II (latest eft is giving me .5 and .6 meter I am cutting lol).


Run this on wolf with TE/ambit adn high ship skill with barrage and you are hitting a target out to 22 km's (we had the wolf pity party earlier, fit a certain way it doesn't need your pity). NAvy slicer not familar with the exact range...it kite and snipes outside of med range (as mentioned above).


6-10 AF fleet you have more than enough scrams to cover...put some points on lr capable (for a frigate) ships on for the lr tackle. Got winmatar in fleet (and who doesn't lol)....if they haven't learned how to kite by now, this will be a nice way for them to learn.

Taking this one statement at a time:

- Frigates are also fast and small, the EHP argument is only valid if they are stationary. Applied damage is low enough for a properly flown frig to take MORE incoming fire than most BC's.
- Injectors do solve neuting nicely, but frigates are by their very nature (ie. gnats) rather short on spare slots/fitting so it is in fact not an option for quite a lot of them. Small NOS are a lot better for the purpose but does not provide enough cap for hybrid/laser platforms and requires a ship to be in range of all manner of nastiness.
- ECM is broken, both in its effect and in its application. Only reason why we still have it is because no one has managed to come up with a reasonable alternative .. frigates would do just fine against ECM if they had some counters, but since the ECCM system uses % bonuses they have squat (helped somewhat by the 500M FW implant sets though )
- Smartbombs are gimmicky to start with, you'll rarely see them in the wild. Mentioning them is like cautioning people about the possibility of having a meteorite fall on their heads ..
- Light drones die .. fast! Have not lost a frigate to lights since I learned to use CTRL+click on overview to target .. biggest threat these days are from EC-300 drones (see ECM above).

Eve's biggest problem and the largest obstacle to 23/7-Fun is that it gravitates towards "Bigger is Better", both when it comes to gang/fleet size but also hull size. This is despite most adrenaline addicts swearing that the faster and more furious (and more frequent due to costs) fights using smaller ships are more rewarding.

We need options other than "BC+ or GTFO" .. FW does it (sort of) with the plexes being size restricted, but it should be part of the design and balance as a whole since instanced combat such as seen in FW should not be encouraged.

Nos works great for capless weapons systems. Keep point, apply dps. For lasers you can usually engage outside of neut range. For blasters, you better have some friends to help you omgwtfpwn the guy while you resign yourself to using added cap to hold point.

Edit: Light drones suck against mwd frigates going full speed. The drones usually cap out and never really catch the frig. It takes a blob of them to do any real damage.

Edit2: Tracking disruptors ftw.

Edit3: Don't engage Minmatar cruisers/BCs in your frig without a good plan. They eat frigates for breakfast. It's what they do and why they are so popular.

"Their arrival is imminent. Their fleet composition is poor--they'll not win this fight." (Jared Mason, Clear Skies)

Try diversifying you fleet/fits, get some pilots who know how to fit/fly/use Kitsunes, and most of all, L2PvP...

Dont make posts if ur not going to be constructive in the discussion. Correcting my short hand has nothing to do with nuets and frigates.

Thank You