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Tengu - Exploration Hisec - passive Tank
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Provy Dence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-12-19 16:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Provy Dence
Hi,

would like to have a review of somebody, who has experience with it. Before you start to flame ;-) ... some comments about the fitting:

- I want it passive because I don't want to take care of active Hardeners each system, when flying through HiSec for Exploration and be afraid of "fun-gankers", which can maybe one-hit me in an active tank. I know I can be ganked anyway, but passive fit should be good enough for Hisec Exploration, so I decided to fly passive with this 20-30k EHP, which needs more than just one lol-ganker ;)
- I have chosen Tengu offensive that way to let my drones deal with the frigs, which should be most times my opponents in Hisec. In the meantime I can take care of hacking or scanning down the next site. The HM Missiles will only be used for bigger ships. Saves me money and saves me medslots, which would have been used for webifier or target painter to apply dps accordingly in this project.

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Tengu [Exploration HiSec - passiv]

Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Invulnerability Field II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Analyzer I / Codebreaker I

Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury / Precision Heavy Missile)
Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury / Precision Heavy Missile)
Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury / Precision Heavy Missile)
Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury / Precision Heavy Missile)
Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury / Precision Heavy Missile)
Salvager I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher

Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II

Tengu Defensive – Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Elextronics – Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering – Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive – Rifling Launcher Platform
Tengu Propulsion – Fuel Catalyst

10x Hobgoblin II

something around 220 hp/s
and something above 250 dp/s
(figures as far as I remember from EFT)

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Any useful advices are welcome! Activ Fit Tengu is not an option as written above even though I know, that it can apply more dp/s and gain more hp/s.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2011-12-19 16:28:17 UTC
That fitting makes me cry a little inside. You do know that you can fit some buffer too, rather than going pure active tank, right? And also, what's with the omni tank? Figure out where you're going to be and then tank for that area, instead of omni tanking.

If you're worried about being ganked, switch the rigs to Extender rigs instead, that'll give you more buffer. If you trade for a couple CDFE rigs and use PDS instead of SPRs in the low, you can get around 60k EHP to deal with ganking.

Here's a very slightly modified version of your fit that tanks better, hits harder, and will get you laughed at far less (and I will say that I agree with the use of drones, I use them on my Loki and it saves a ton of hassle locking all the frigs).

[Tengu, EHP]
Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Codebreaker I
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Salvager I
Expanded Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Hobgoblin II x10
Mike712
Tenth Plague of Egypt
#3 - 2011-12-19 16:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike712
mxzf wrote:
That fitting makes me cry a little inside. You do know that you can fit some buffer too, rather than going pure active tank, right? And also, what's with the omni tank? Figure out where you're going to be and then tank for that area, instead of omni tanking.

If you're worried about being ganked, switch the rigs to Extender rigs instead, that'll give you more buffer. If you trade for a couple CDFE rigs and use PDS instead of SPRs in the low, you can get around 60k EHP to deal with ganking.

Here's a very slightly modified version of your fit that tanks better, hits harder, and will get you laughed at far less (and I will say that I agree with the use of drones, I use them on my Loki and it saves a ton of hassle locking all the frigs).

[Tengu, EHP]
Power Diagnostic System II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Codebreaker I
Gistum C-Type Medium Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile
Salvager I
Expanded Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Operational Solidifier I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Rifling Launcher Pattern
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Hobgoblin II x10



^that fit is frankly almost as terrible as the OPs and it's insanely expensive.

[Tengu, Exploration]
Damage Control II (or ballistic control, went with DCII since you seem to be so afraid of ganks)
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Analyzer II
Codebreaker II
Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-19 18:11:57 UTC
I love how all the fits are crap ~EXCEPT~ each person's individual fit... :) Welcome to the new Battleclinic!! Lol

Fly what works for you... Generally fit tank for the baddies, but omni for Sleepers is OK.
Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-12-19 18:12:08 UTC
~duplicate post~

CCP, fix the crap forum software. kthxbye
Provy Dence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-12-19 18:21:08 UTC
Mike712 wrote:
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That's completely useless for me! Read my first post and you even do not have a salvager fittet!
Despite this your capacitor will last maybe 10 seconds with those subs? Just an assumption, because it's not the time worth to test it.
Even the other one fits better for my uses, although it mixes passive and active tank, which I was always told is an absolute nogo.

@mxzf: Omni is necessary, because I will travel through Hisec and plan to do Sleeper in C1 as well. So Omni tank is necessary if I don't want to refit for each site, which I obviously don't want. Otherwise I could switch active and passive as well.
SpaceSquirrels
#7 - 2011-12-19 19:43:59 UTC
t2 fit tengu isn't exactly gank bait. Yeah I know people do it for lulz...but with insurance nerf...eh. I've never even had my loki actively locked up once traveling the high traffic areas.

You wont need a 1 billion dollar ship to even do sites in highsec... Don't even need one for low sec. Only reason to fit passive hardeners on a combat ship is... Run out of fitting room....or travel afk/mine afk.

Also all those passive rechargers/rigs make your sig bloom which means you'll be locked super quick if they do want to shoot ya.
Provy Dence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-12-20 08:05:02 UTC
OK. I tried a T2 Fit with a medium shield booster and Cap-Rigs yesterday and it was only a little better then the passive one under the circumstance I keep the Rifling Launcher platform for the drones purpose. I have exchanged Rigs, and the Shield Extender with the Medium Shield Booster.

I found a DED3/10 yesterday and it was easy in the passive Tengu. Assume a DED3 is one of the more "difficult" ones, which I can find in HiSec, isn't it?

So if you can recommend a special T2 Fitting I may evaluate to switch, but in that case it has to work much better than the passive one, because I only can think of using it, when I switch to lowsec scanning.