Crime & Punishment

Where's the evasion in hyperdunking? Every ship that is used by someone with a GCC dies at the hands of Concord, which is the exact opposite of evasion.

The bumping alt incurs no flag because bumping has never been a flaggable action, there's a whole thread dedicated to it in the stickies of C&P.

Are you sure you understand exactly is going on? There is no evasion - every ship that the ganker gets in during the hyperdunk (is that the noun?) gets destroyed by CONCORD. There is no escaping the punishment.

The boomerang attack did evade CONCORD by warping off and allowed the same ship to participate in multiple ganks before being destroyed. In the boomerang attack one ship could gank many targets.

In this attack, CONCORD responds to each ship and destroys it as soon as the ganker boards it. Each gank ship can only attack one target before destruction as is normal with all ganks.

The ability to place a POS was explicitly written into the game as an action able to be performed by one player. Ganking using a single player jumping into fresh ships is working around the criminal timer.

I get it though, you obviously want code to to be able to solo gank players because it benefits you, therefore you'll ignore the glaringly obvious reasons that solo ganking almost any ship or structure is an exploit

Well technically you're evading concord the moment you enter a ship in space while under a criminal timer, since concord are on their way to destroy you at that point.

It's impossible to warp anything other than a pod while under GCC and has been since CCP addressed the boomerang exploit, which involved warping a ship around and ganking multiple targets with Concord in hot pursuit.

Bearing in mind that the moment you gain a GCC timer you are effectively warp-scrammed, unless you're in a pod, and thus unable to leave the immediate area once you board a ship; please detail how it is evasion?

Which breaks more than it fixes

For example removal of the ability to board a ship while under GCC also removes the ability to move Concord around, which is an allowed practice.

As he stated earlier:
It's evasion because the effect of concord (stopping you firing after a given length of time) is nullified. Once your criminal timer is up you should be free to go gank as much as you want.

Which you can still do by boarding a ship once your criminal timer ends and triggering concord away from your target area. The criminal timer is supposed to be a consequence. It doesn't really do it's job if you can just ignore it by working around the mechanics.

CONCORD works by attacking and destroying anybody who:

a) commits a criminal act in highsec;
b) anybody who undocks in a ship or boards a ship while under a criminal flag.

This still happens. The ganker pays the consequences for being in space while under the criminal flag with the loss of their ship. Always. There is no evasion.

CONCORD is reactive, not a protective force. It punishes players who break the above rules, nothing more. If you want protection you are intended to provide it - and protection from this hyperdunking thing is trivial to provide.

If you think you have an improvement to these CONCORD rules, perhaps you should suggest it in the Feature and Ideas subforum? Otherwise, you need to realize that CONCORD is doing exactly what it has always (or perhaps since the last time CCP tweaked the mechanics).

Both defensive and offensive spawning are allowed as long as you don't recycle the toons.

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Concord is there to punish criminal acts. They punish the acts by popping the ships of the criminal. The end effect is the same whether 1 player loses 10 ships or 10 players lose 1 ship.

So to say that the effect of concord is nullified is really silly imo. The effect of carebear tears seems to be greatly amplified though!

But yeah, if one dude is playing like this, why not try to stop him? Stopping one dude from ganking in loads of ships would be way easier than stopping 10 players in 1 ship each.

Or maybe you could just gank the bowhead?



You still get that timer. You are not evading the timer. Being under GCC affects your ability to do things!



Nobody is working around game mechanics. It's all valid emergent gameplay!

[edit] I don't mind if anyone wants to call it GCC or Criminal TImer. Did not know it changed!

Makes perfect sense really!

It seems we have reached that point where in blind defense of a chosen play style, people ignore the logic and reason of an argument in utter defense of their actions.

The discussion was started to determine if this is indeed an exploit. To me and others it is clearly that.
You mention that this is currently possible, so therefore intended. I don't believe this was ever intended. Just an oversight that, if dealt with by logical, reasonable people , will be fixed as many oversights have been before.

I'm all for fun and creativity in eve and as I have mentioned before, this in no way affects me. It is just a problem that is need of a fix.

It's been ruled on, it's not. Get over it, you were wrong.