EVE General Discussion

With the new rules on input broadcasting in place, I wanted to clarify what is and isn't acceptable use of the broadcasting feature. In the process of doing so I seem to have run into a world of contradictions with the EVE staff I've corresponded with.

First let's look at CCP Falcon's official post from the top of this forum

Falcon clearly states there are allowed forms of input broadcasting and that CCP prefers we contact them for clarification on the matter.

To clarify what is and is not allowed, I sent in a petition with a list of commands in question. That list is as follows

- Opening cargohold
- Opening orehold
- Opening/closing "people/places" window
- Creating a bookmark
- Deleting a bookmark from "people/places" window
- Activating survey scanners
- Managing inventory in station (ex clicking "ship hangar")
- Managing fittings in station (ex fitting module from hangar)
- Clicking "join fleet" when invited

I will now paraphrase the responses I received and will also not include the GM names. This is in order to respect the rules on communications of GM correspondence.

*Snip* Please refrain from posting GM correspondence. ISD Ezwal.

There needs to be some real clarity on this, between the GMs and in communication with the users.

I'm not surprised as this has been a problem with CCP for as long as I can remember. There is a definite consistency problem with enforcement and interpretation of the rules.

Compounding the issue is CCP's desire to not paint themselves into a corner.


EDIT : Rule of unintended consequences and all..

Of course they don't. that's always been the most ridiculous argument. Creating a grey area simply means more people will do things they are not supposed to and get banned purely because they don't know what they are and are not supposed to do.

Nobody has an issue with following the rules CCP sets, but they have to put actual rules. As it currently stands, players who don't even use multiboxing tools have now been banned and STILL there's no clear answer on what is and isn't allowed. It's no wonder CCP is running a failing business with methods like these and quite frankly I hope mainstream gaming media picks up on it, as it seems the only way to get CCP to actually act is through negative press.

Every time you create something, there's this tiny percentage of people who think their life's crusade is to circumvent it. Sometimes this is harmless. Sometimes it's just in bad taste. Other times, it's to juke a system for personal gain. I think it's generous to create a freeware software to enhance games, if done with permission. However, I (and the entire gaming community that doesn't cheat - which is a decided majority) do not agree with third party applications giving people decided advantages in the actual game play.

I've watched videos of people "farming" in WoW using bots. They're presented as though the one doing it is being oh, so clever and smarter than everyone else. Personally, I don't think it's either. I think it's rather infantile and demonstrates a colossal approach to immaturity. It's always struck me - if they don't want to play the game - DON'T. This simple logic seems beyond these people so they can be called neither clever, nor smart. Only intelligent people can be stupid, so that doesn't count. (If an unintelligent person is doing something unintelligent, it's "normal" behavior.)

I don't see this as meat for a crusade with this boxer, third-party application. I do see this handful of people trying to force the issue on the forum here as a significant annoyance, however. Were they attempting similar behavior in a bar, for instance, some of my Harley driving friends might wish to discuss it in the parking lot and there'd be a lot of shouting for MOMMY going on from some precinct, or another.

However, the simple fact is due to the nature of the forum, and internet, these people can continue to post their infantile BS and force our ISDs to inspect and lock their posts ad nauseum. This onslaught will never get public opinion on their side. They'll never inject a doubt which turns the playerbase against CCP, and in the end, all they'll do is anger people like ME.

TYVM. Have a nice day.

Have you even read what the last problem was that people had? It's not about the ones you called cheaters, its about those who don't cheat and are not using anything but a keyboard, a mouse and possibly more than one monitor but nothing else, no program etc. Right now we want to know where we are in this "grey area" as soon as we use more than one client at one time.

That makes the game practically unplayable.

Not really. I've trained up new traders on 2 of my alt accounts, I'm scrapping faction warfare, 50% of my T1 production, all of my T3 production and consolidating everything down to just 3 accounts and am working on reducing that to just 2. I'm currently already booked up for fanfest again this year, but once fanfest is over I'll be taking a serious look at whether or not EVE is really entertaining me enough to be worth sticking about. CCP seem to be almost completely incapable of communicating with their players, the community is growing more toxic by the day and the new releases leave much to be desired.

I've been enjoying Elite:Dangerous, and as it stands, their teams seems much more able to respond the their community in the right way. The fact that there's no subscription costs is a massive plus too.

Are any of those:

1. Adjusting window size
2. Logging in to the game

If the answer is "no", then those actions are not allowed to be broadcast. You know this. Why do you waste GM time with these petitions?

i'm just gonna quote myself (again)



Free your mind from the fact that everyone in here that is against the bans is using ISBoxer... Lots of people multibox in eve. Rumor has it, that some of these innocent people have been banned and as far as my knowledge goes, there are lots if people MULTIBOXING WITHOUT THE USE OF ANY KIND OF PROGRAM BUT ONLY USING THEIR HANDS (i hope this is clear now) which now are threatened of being banned just for commanding more than one client at one time.
We ask meaningful, well thought through questions and as far as we are allowed to talk about stuff without getting censored we try to bring in evidence.

And then theres people like you just throwing in constructive stuff like
"ALL MULTIBOXERS ARE BAD"
and
"IF YOU ARE USING A PROGRAM YOU SHOULD BE BANNED"

Feel free to read what this is all about on the last pages and then comment again


which didn't work out

Which is exactly what we don't know, so we can't tell how far you can safely multibox at the moment WITHOUT THE USE OF ANY KIND OF PROGRAM, without getting banned, so we ask

Yeah when the grey area includes how fast you're allowed to hit hotkeys......


That's not what I'm talking about but I will admit that is technically world pvp. It's clear you're trying to be as silly about this as possible because I know you're not too dense to realize I'm talking about PVP out in the regular world including the questing and leveling areas. Not those singular regions that are designed for competition.

No one in this thread is asking for a step towards automation and you know that.


EDIT : I multibox with multiple computer/monitors. So I'm now having to make a conscious effort to slow down my gameplay lest I get banned for hitting f1 on two keyboards too quickly...


EDIT 2 : So what happens when that one node goes flaky again or a DDOS hits and people's commands are arriving in groups to the server? Will that mean a mass ban? Or only those that have been petitioned would be banned?


EDIT 3 :


You've clearly never camped a person in WoW. I've completely destroyed the ability of gold farmers to do their job. I've also completely camped non farmers who were griefing lowbies. I've never been banned in WoW despite actively greifing certain people on my server. I also know of a couple people who make a wow living scamming guilds.

You can interrupt or stop for a time damage casting melee and magic
You can remove all buffs
You can control the movements of the enemy.
You can lock down an enemy in one spot
You can out maneuver people like eve (mounts etc)
You can meta game like eve. I've seen guild banks scammed and more
You can do WoW's equivalent of nuet/nos by removing their mana/rage/whatever.


You really don't seem to know how WoW plays. You can't lock down someone's income in eve unless they let you. Meanwhile WoW has a severely limited number of gold making areas so you can't just move on like you could in eve. Granted you could run instances but your income rate will drop dramatically. At least in eve you can still make good income after moving.

If my account was still active I could log in right now and gank newbies all day long. Well until some higher levels decide to show up.

What's even funny is wow is more hardcore then eve in that you're not even safe in a city (where as in eve in the city aka docked you're perfectly safe).