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Gallente Presidential Election Enters Advance Voting Stage

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2015-01-27 07:21:03 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Shame the Caldari ain't part of the federation anymore, they try so hard to involve themselves in our politics, yet carry so little ( see: none ) clout. If you want to change our politics, you can always apply for citizenship...


The only part of Gallente politics we've sought to change (since our succession) is the part they try and apply in OUR territory. Every citizen gets a vote on that and I'm proud to be chosen as one of those who enact State Policy, in this regard.

Pardons, I was unaware of any Federation policys being enacted in any system registered by CONCORD as belonging to the Caldari State. If you are refering to the War Zone, however, those systems don't technicly belong to any one empire, but to CONCORD, any policys enacted there are only valid if/as long as the faction in question has soverginty (see also: never, if one can't maintain a government, no policys can be enforced long term)


And so I find myself abroad.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2015-01-27 13:36:55 UTC


I'll second that. The spirit of cooperation embodied by this individual is laudable, and worthy of Federal office at the highest level. I and my corporation wish Shaileen Ramnev the best in her campaign and urge right-thinking citizens to vote for her. Reconciliation, rebuilding and outreach should be our focus in the coming Presidential terms, and she has the hard won experience to lay the foundations.

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KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-01-27 15:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: KaRa DaVuT
Well I too wish that Shaileen Ramnev will win the eleciton. We need some level of virtue.. A kingdom of conscience..

Look at Amarr and what they have done in the name of " Religion" and "sake of higher good.. Then you can understand clearly the importance of virtue in a leader...

I put no stock in religion, or nationalism. By the word "religion" or "patriotism" I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of Highness or for the glory of their "race"...

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#24 - 2015-01-27 15:14:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
Caldari Prime may be a very important planet, but it is still only a single one out of many hundreds of populated worlds in the Federation. Regardless of the nobility of miss Ramnev's policies regarding it, I should think it might be a bit of an unwise idea to elect someone based solely on a single subset of policies concerning only one matter.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2015-01-27 15:41:27 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Caldari Prime may be a very important planet, but it is still only a single one out of many hundreds of populated worlds in the Federation. Regardless of the nobility of miss Ramnev's policies regarding it, I should think it might be a bit of an unwise idea to elect someone based solely on a single subset of policies concerning only one matter.


True as this may be, I do not expect the POTF to shoulder all burdens, but instead provide an abstract level of values and approaches to the wider Senate. Her experience with multiculturalism, armed but benevolent resistance and maintaining a personal philosophy based on actions instead of race provide those high level values.

Yes she is limited, even we capsuleers are quick to run into our boundaries as individuals, but her singular defining experience is applicable across the wider Federation. The Federation is a nation struggling under the weight of modernity, multiculturalism, integration and the maintenance of freedom and liberty in a predominantly autocratic or corporate cluster. Taking her experiences in a microcosm of oppression with a few guttering lights of liberty in some of Caldari Prime's darkest days and applying it to the neglected border worlds of the Federation, especially those with dissaffected indigenous populations, could be invaluable.

This next term will be about rebuilding, setting up a firebreak against future incursion and scrutinizing the cultural values of a nation that aspires to freedom but is oh so close to throwing it away out of fear and prejudice. I believe that Candidate Ramnev is the woman for the job.

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Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#26 - 2015-01-27 19:19:22 UTC
Looks like the other candidates are finally entering the limelight:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/kelen-ontbad-holds-election-holorally-at-algintal-complex/

While I'm not unsympathetic to the plights of our Minmatar brethren, Ontbad's platform is simply less appealing to me than Ramnev's. My personal preference at this time:

Ramnev » Aguard »» Roden = Ontbad (Idama? Nova?)

Until all are free...

Kueyen
Angharradh's Aegis
#27 - 2015-01-27 20:14:01 UTC
And the man himselfs takes to the stage:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/roden-speaks-at-arcurio-election-address/

Might as well have been Mentas Blaque himself speaking, though...

Ramnev » Aguard »» Ontbad »» Roden (Idama? Nova?)

Until all are free...

Eojek
Starlight Moly
#28 - 2015-01-27 23:31:43 UTC
I have always wondered.... Roden for president? Rodent for President? President Rat? Hm... That's like asking a man named Madoff if you can invest in his company.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#29 - 2015-01-28 02:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Kueyen wrote:
And the man himselfs takes to the stage:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/roden-speaks-at-arcurio-election-address/

Might as well have been Mentas Blaque himself speaking, though...

Ramnev » Aguard »» Ontbad »» Roden (Idama? Nova?)

I commend President Roden’s decision to seek a second term.

He exemplifies the Hero Kings of our not so remote past, who selflessly dedicated themselves to the enlightened progress of our shared Gallentean civilization.

Our Federal Union can ill afford, at this time of perpetual peril, leaders of week will or questionable loyalties.

No effort will be spared to promote his vision of our collective future.
Zhong Juan
Doomheim
#30 - 2015-01-28 09:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhong Juan
A President should be someone more concerned with the running of the Federation, someone who could lead beyond the fog of war. Someone who would still care when there is a need for clarity and not a combat strategy.

I admit, we require a leader who knows how to lead us through conflict, but we do not need a Hero or a General to lead us, let alone a criminal. We need someone who knows who to put behind a gun, not just where to fire it.

Celes Aguard - When will her public appearance be?
Troy Cintryx
Strategic Operations Inc.
#31 - 2015-01-28 10:21:27 UTC
Aelisha wrote:


I'll second that. The spirit of cooperation embodied by this individual is laudable, and worthy of Federal office at the highest level. I and my corporation wish Shaileen Ramnev the best in her campaign and urge right-thinking citizens to vote for her. Reconciliation, rebuilding and outreach should be our focus in the coming Presidential terms, and she has the hard won experience to lay the foundations.



Fully agreed. There is more to leadership than war and fear mongering. Gallenteans want a future of hope and prosperity, not fear and hatred. The Federation expands fastest through culture exchange and relationships, not by brute force. We are not Amarrian.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-01-28 12:31:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
It must be noted the Federation is not even Gallente in soley origin, let alone global composition. It is the result of progressive cooperative efforts between the two indiginous peoples of the Luminaire system, and those who have come into the fold since. The Gallente have laboured long throughout their respectable history for the values of liberty and justice. Values embodied by one of the last of their so called Warrior Kings as Mr Syagrius calls them.

So too have the other people of the Federation striven for those high-minded values; the Intaki, Mannar, Caldari, Jin-Mei and countless satellite peoples of our great nation are in agreement with their Gallente cousins on such core values. Our great nation would not exist were such not the case.

This leads me to question any call for a 'return to the time of Warrior Kings'. It was in their waning days that the greatest of them placed the foundations for what would in time become a beacon of progression and social freedom, but at their height such Kings represented only the scant promise of security. Autocracy in the name of security, tradition and efficacy is an effective path - look to our respected neighbours in the Empire for evidence of its success.

But such a path is not that the founders of our fine Federation chose for themselves, nor what we as citizens should seek today. We choose the hard road of liberation from a stratified hierarchy, of suppressing the urge to gag the dissenting voice or raise a hand to the peaceful protest. Roden has been romanticized as a Lion, a man of strength and conviction, a commander in chief of our current war efforts and national security. In his role, he has done a few positive things; reinvigorated our military industrial complex and ensured that our corporations and businesses resisted nationalisation.

But he is no lion. He is no valiant Warrior King atop the ramparts. He is no philosopher-knight spreading equal parts wisdom and liberation by word and blade. He is a merchant, a business man. One who profits from every pulse rifle discharge and surface to orbit munition fired every second across our nation. More distressingly, one who conducts the very tune of war waged by our nation by his executive privilege. When the man profiting from war is the one with the highest authority when waging it, one will note the efficiency, resilience and fervour of ones forces, but should also seek to question why the war is waged at all. War in defense, for liberation and to aid the weak is laudable, but war to perpetuate one's wealth, station and create an environment of cyclical fear is effectively tyranny with a ballot box. Freedom ceases to be appealing when one is threatened by spectres and the constructs of a government dependent on the continuation of conflict at the expense of domestic progression.

Candidate Ramnev is no lion either, nor should she be. A lion marks it territory, roars its defiance and kills the dissident. It is a savage creature, a noble creature but a creature built only for its own selfish gains no matter how beautiful or powerful it may be. Shaileen is a messenger, a bird of service that travels through hell with one mission; bring the pure uncorrupted message of its masters to their intended audience, allowing no harm to befall the contents of the message, nor manipulation to be undertaken to lessen the burden.

The POTF is our servant, our highest servant, champion and vocal outlet for the will of the people. The dove that has seen the worst we can endure, yet delivers the message of her people heavy of heart but hale in body and spirit is the champion we need. Seek not the supposed lion, with blood on its claws and a mane of gold reaped from the corpses laid under a hundred stars. Seek not to embrace the violent age of old in the folly of unremembered glories and the romance of bitter men who wish only to prove he strength of their nation's sword-arm.

Draw close the dove of Caldari Prime, our uncorrupted sister, cousin and hopeful President. See that in her existence the embodiment of two nations, her mixed blood a vibrant shade upon the canvas of our Federation, complementing all of those many hues it is made of. Witness the uncorrupted values of tolerance, respect and freedom she embodies despite having seen humanity at its very worst in her time under provist occupation. How she turned the bayonet into a scalpel and the materials of war in a relief mission where others would impotently rage against the giant oppressing them.

Am I saying that the Federation is not Gallente? No. Am I saying that Shaileen is a paragon or living saint? Of course not. What I am saying is that the Gallente are but one note in the greater harmony, and that the most suitable conductor for the melody we represent be one who has suffered as only the most unfortunate of us have, and yet retained the fire of liberty and the courage to seek a common understanding, even when the hand you might have to shake tomorrow, was the one that laid blows to you yesterday.

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Troy Cintryx
Strategic Operations Inc.
#33 - 2015-01-28 13:35:55 UTC
Quote:
The POTF is our servant, our highest servant, champion and vocal outlet for the will of the people.



So true. Much more accepted is the ambassador who approaches with an empty hand and desire for peace than the warlord who approaches with a closed fist and desire for conquest.

Roden's job is complete. Ramnev will further advance the interests of the Federation not through conquest, but through community.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-01-28 14:37:16 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Caldari Prime may be a very important planet, but it is still only a single one out of many hundreds of populated worlds in the Federation. Regardless of the nobility of miss Ramnev's policies regarding it, I should think it might be a bit of an unwise idea to elect someone based solely on a single subset of policies concerning only one matter.

It is OUR planet and doesn't belong to Gallente. It is only trapped in Gallente territory since signing of Federation charter.

Only when Federation charter will be cancelled we will be able to stop the war. But while at least a single gallentean will have their foot on OUR Caldari Prime, we will be attacking them EVERYWHERE!!

Death to Gallentean Occupants!!
For the State! For Caldari Prime!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Troy Cintryx
Strategic Operations Inc.
#35 - 2015-01-28 14:55:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Caldari Prime may be a very important planet, but it is still only a single one out of many hundreds of populated worlds in the Federation. Regardless of the nobility of miss Ramnev's policies regarding it, I should think it might be a bit of an unwise idea to elect someone based solely on a single subset of policies concerning only one matter.

It is OUR planet and doesn't belong to Gallente. It is only trapped in Gallente territory since signing of Federation charter.

Only when Federation charter will be cancelled we will be able to stop the war. But while at least a single gallentean will have their foot on OUR Caldari Prime, we will be attacking them EVERYWHERE!!

Death to Gallentean Occupants!!
For the State! For Caldari Prime!



Clearly Miss Kim is a Caldari extremist, and fails to appreciate the progressiveness of the Gallente Federation. That's the problem with the Caldari State. It is far too single minded.

Shaileen Ramnev can see past that. Being from Caldari Prime but also a Gallente citizen, she is in a position to lead our multicultural Federation through growth and cultural prosperity. Perhaps even, she will be able to tame even the Caldari into accepting that Caldari Prime is part of the Gallente Federation.

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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2015-01-28 14:59:44 UTC
I think that to take one pilot as an example of the State is a bad idea. Similarly, Caldari prime is a complex world raggedly divided between the State and Federation at this point.

It is my hope that Candidate Ramnev will be able to perceive that though we may delineate borders on a map, we can't draw a line down the human spirit, dividing by nation where the borders and ideologies of said nations have merged by their very ferocity and proximity. Let us not divide worlds such as Caldari Prime into arbitrary 'theirs' or 'ours' categories, instead taking a shared responsibility for their development as an example of what may be achieved mutually, even between antagonistic neighbours, when the quality of life of the people is placed before rhetoric and paranoia.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2015-01-28 16:38:07 UTC
Troy Cintryx wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Caldari Prime may be a very important planet, but it is still only a single one out of many hundreds of populated worlds in the Federation. Regardless of the nobility of miss Ramnev's policies regarding it, I should think it might be a bit of an unwise idea to elect someone based solely on a single subset of policies concerning only one matter.

It is OUR planet and doesn't belong to Gallente. It is only trapped in Gallente territory since signing of Federation charter.

Only when Federation charter will be cancelled we will be able to stop the war. But while at least a single gallentean will have their foot on OUR Caldari Prime, we will be attacking them EVERYWHERE!!

Death to Gallentean Occupants!!
For the State! For Caldari Prime!



Clearly Miss Kim is a Caldari extremist, and fails to appreciate the progressiveness of the Gallente Federation. That's the problem with the Caldari State. It is far too single minded.

Shaileen Ramnev can see past that. Being from Caldari Prime but also a Gallente citizen, she is in a position to lead our multicultural Federation through growth and cultural prosperity. Perhaps even, she will be able to tame even the Caldari into accepting that Caldari Prime is part of the Gallente Federation.


Miss Kim's opinion does not reflect the opinions of the war-weary majority. If it did, Tibus Heth would still be in power.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#38 - 2015-01-28 18:44:23 UTC
Troy Cintryx wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
Caldari Prime may be a very important planet, but it is still only a single one out of many hundreds of populated worlds in the Federation. Regardless of the nobility of miss Ramnev's policies regarding it, I should think it might be a bit of an unwise idea to elect someone based solely on a single subset of policies concerning only one matter.

It is OUR planet and doesn't belong to Gallente. It is only trapped in Gallente territory since signing of Federation charter.

Only when Federation charter will be cancelled we will be able to stop the war. But while at least a single gallentean will have their foot on OUR Caldari Prime, we will be attacking them EVERYWHERE!!

Death to Gallentean Occupants!!
For the State! For Caldari Prime!



Clearly Miss Kim is a Caldari extremist, and fails to appreciate the progressiveness of the Gallente Federation. That's the problem with the Caldari State. It is far too single minded.

Shaileen Ramnev can see past that. Being from Caldari Prime but also a Gallente citizen, she is in a position to lead our multicultural Federation through growth and cultural prosperity. Perhaps even, she will be able to tame even the Caldari into accepting that Caldari Prime is part of the Gallente Federation.





While Commander Kim's views can lean towards the extreme, her views do bear some degree of merit.

It is after all, our homeworld. Lines on a star chart do not erase that simple fact.

Ms. Ikiryo is right too, in that the Federation has more than just our planet to consider. What is her stance on the war? Is she willing to open some form of negotiation, or is she just another war-monger like Roden and Foiritan before him? Is she willing to cease Federation aggression in Black Rise? Is she willing to offer some form of reparation for the colonies the Federation destroyed there less than a decade ago? What is her stance on Intaki and their bid for freedom? Will she continue to let the Minmatar dictate Federation foreign policy when it comes to the Amarr, or will she see a path to peace that doesn't rely on the barrel of a gun?

In short, does she truly represent some form of progressive change within the Federation, or is she just another shill for same criminal policies of her predecessors? Is she looking to build or will she continue to destroy?



Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#39 - 2015-01-28 18:49:47 UTC
After reading Roden's speech I'm even less impressed with the man than I was before. In my view he's a war profiteer and fear monger of the first rate. It's time to show him and Blaque the door and elect a new leader, someone who can look forward to a hopeful and prosperous future rather than keeping us mired in the fears and hatreds of the past.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Jukko Riis
Doomheim
#40 - 2015-01-28 19:11:56 UTC
Aelisha wrote:
I think that to take one pilot as an example of the State is a bad idea. Similarly, Caldari prime is a complex world raggedly divided between the State and Federation at this point.




No.

Caldari Prime is a Caldari world. The Caldari HOMEWORLD. There is no complexity. There is no division.

What would you have us do? Are we to forget that this is foundation of our culture? Of our race? Are we to ignore that this the the heart of us as a people? Are we to allow Gallente after Gallente to set up residence there, slowly breeding out our native population until someone calls a vote to rename it New Caille? And for what? Because it's somehow too complex for you to realize the simple truth that it is not your world?

You support the Matari because you think it's unfair that the Amarr subjugated their worlds and enslaved them, forcing Amarr culture and ideals down Matari throats, but you have no problem doing the exact same thing to us. You eat the spoon-fed propaganda of your corrupt government that tells you that we're all fascists, hell-bent on buying the whole galaxy for our corporate masters. But you don't see the crimes against humanity you support with every vote you cast.

You take great pride in supporting the Matari line, "We come for our people" because it supports your quaint notions of "freedom." But you cry like spoiled children who are about to lose their favorite toy when we say the same thing.

Elect who you want. Hide your crimes behind the illusion of freedom. But never forget who and what we are and that we will never allow you to keep what is ours.